Ronald Koeman discussion

[dannyboy]

I'd be lying if I said I thought he was a top manager but we're not a top club so it makes sense that he's found his way to us.

There are flaws within his management, that can't be denied but our failings as a team right now are down to us not having players as good as the other top six teams. Yeah, we've spent money on decent players this summer but would any of them get into the starting XI of the top 6? I'm not convinced.

It must surely be obvious to anyone that we badly need a good striker in. Lukaku hasn't been replaced and that needs to be addressed.

 

[matty1878]

Anyone got his post match interview?

 

[R934]

Why do we feel the need to make excuses?
Take your pick out of this bunch:
-There better than us
-We're tired
-We're still miles away from the top 4/6
-They're the champions of England
-They've spent more money then us over the years
-We've played 3 games in a week
-We don't have that elusive 'targetman' (which I don't see solving anything as we have no runners from midfield who'll offer support)
- It's a 'transitional season'

So on, so forth.

If we'd have won the game and/or taken a point I can't imagine anyone would utter any of the above;

"I can't believe we beat and/or drew with the champions of England, after playing 3 games in a week, if you look at all the money they've spent, and how tired we're it's such a surprise, and yet we still haven't closed the gap to the top 4 and/or 6"

If the above sentence is not apparent already, I'm taking the piss. For some strange reason we seem to buy into small time mentality when playing the so called 'big clubs' and throw out a list of cliques as to why we we're always going to loose.

If we want to challenge at the higher echelons of this division, none of the above washes - its making excuses to hide the deficiencies in the actual performance. Nobody is standing here saying we should win everything, and its understandable not all results/performances will go our way, but there is little wrong with fans demanding we show some hunger, maybe complete a pass or two, and generally make a impact on the game without 1-to-11 wilting throughout. The results we've got -in all competitions- have been far from convincing, but its easier to brush them aside because an excuse doesn't need to be found. This isn't to say i'm right or wrong, but merely an a personal observation/opinion. Then again who am I to post such a message, i'm clearly 'wetting the bed' 'my head's gone' and 'Ronko' is the bee's knee's, best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Gerbs]

I know what your saying but how can he not have faith in players he bought, he asked for and wanted, sorry but that doesn't sit right; I think it's his tactics more than the players to be honest.

I don't know the answer, but I just don't see any faith from him that he think we have the ability to play with decent sides

 

[CerberusFX]

I don't know the answer, but I just don't see any faith from him that he think we have the ability to play with decent sides

I honestly think, from what I've seen over the course of his tenure that he has accepted defeat to them before they get off the coach and that's worrying, it will also stop us progressing.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Our transfer policy has been a mess this summer - Koeman has to be held responsible for a lot of this. I'm sure the signings of Klaasen and Sigurdsson were his doing. Not writing them off as players but there were clearly other priorities that simply have not been addressed. Could come back to haunt him in the way a lack of interest in defence did Martinez.

 

[Connor]

But nor is there any point saying 'Nevermind that we've looked like a half decent team for all of about an hour after 7 games, I'm going to say everything's boss.'

Nobody (I don't think) is saying sack the manager or that we're going to be relegated, but what we've seen so far has been disappointing. It seems like we're just writing games against good sides off at the moment, and that's extremely disappointing considering the money we've spent and the ambitions we're supposed to have.

Hmm, we didn't write the City game off though. Just this one to an extent because of the week we've had.

No one will be writing Spurs or United off after the break either.

 

[sheedys left foot]

Could be a long boring season where we'll finish 7th again by virtue of being slightly better than the rest. He's a grumpy so and so and this Everton side are set up to match his personality. Boring, slow and no flair.

 

[dannyboy]

Why do we feel the need to make excuses?
Take your pick out of this bunch:
-There better than us
-We're tired
-We're still miles away from the top 4/6
-They're the champions of England
-They've spent more money then us over the years
-We've played 3 games in a week
-We don't have that elusive 'targetman' (which I don't see solving anything as we have no runners from midfield who'll offer support)
- It's a 'transitional season'

So on, so forth.

If we'd have won the game and/or taken a point I can't imagine anyone would utter any of the above;

"I can't believe we beat and/or drew with the champions of England, after playing 3 games in a week, if you look at all the money they've spent, and how tired we we're it's such a surprise, and yet we still haven't closed the gap to the top 4 and/or 6"

If the above sentence is not apparent already, I'm taking the piss. For some strange reason we seem to buy into small time mentality when playing the so called 'big clubs' and throw out a list of cliques as to why we we're always going to loose. If we want to challenge at the higher echelons of this division, none of the above washes - its making excuses to hide the deficiencies in the actual performance. Nobody is standing here saying we should win everything, and its understandable not all results/performances will go our way, but there is little wrong with fans demanding we show some hunger, maybe complete a pass or two, and generally make a impact on the game without 1-to-11 wilting throughout. The results we've got -in all competitions- have been far from convincing, but its easier to brush them aside because an excuse doesn't need to be found. This isn't to say i'm right or wrong, but merely an a personal observation/opinion. Then again who am I to post such a message, i'm clearly 'wetting the bed' 'my head's gone' and 'Ronko' is the bee's knee's, best thing since sliced bread.

You can call it excuses but I just look at it realistically. They've got far better players than us so we struggle to compete. I just don't see how we begin to get results consistently away from home against the top 6 without a transformation in the players we have in the team.

It would take one hell of a manager to change it or a ridiculous bank balance.

 

[bicycleheader]

Hmm, we didn't write the City game off though. Just this one to an extent because of the week we've had.

No one will be writing Spurs or United off after the break either.

just admit it C

he likes us to kick the ball towards the sun

he will continue to do so until Rhino changes the locks at Goodison and Jim White tweets him "On yer bike Golf Lundgren"

unfortunately I probably have to wait two seasons for this outcome

 

[riddick]

The NBC lads made such a salient point about "not having the 'the players are new' excuse".

Basically said Everton should be doing FAR better than 0 shots on target against ANYONE. Theres no shape, there's no ethos, there is no idea what HIS system is. "Work hahd" only gets you so far especially when nobody actually implements what you are saying you want them to do.

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm, we didn't write the City game off though. Just this one to an extent because of the week we've had.

No one will be writing Spurs or United off after the break either.

I actually meant that koeman is writing it off rather than us as fans. Our performances have not been what you would expect of a team with ambitions of competing at the top table.

But if you're talking about fans, just look at hundreds of comments in here about how it's completely understandable that we never left our own half against 10 Man City because they've got good players. Theres definitely an element of writing games off from many blues.

 

[Bungle]

Anyone got his post match interview?

Yeah said his mrs has had to hide the crisps and chocolate at home as he has been getting through a 12 pack of hula hoops and box of maltesers a day. Said we are crap and would like a move to a league where Steve Walsh isn't worshipped.

Rounded off the interview by hugging Aldo and skipping off down the Goodison corridors humming YNWA.

 

[Connor]

just admit it C

he likes us to kick the ball towards the sun

he will continue to do so until Rhino changes the locks at Goodison and Jim White tweets him "On yer bike Golf Lundgren"

unfortunately I probably have to wait two seasons for this outcome

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOFF

Koeman OUT, AVB IN

I actually meant that koeman is writing it off rather than us as fans. Our performances have not been what you would expect of a team with ambitions of competing at the top table.

But if you're talking about fans, just look at hundreds of comments in here about how it's completely understandable that we never left our own half against 10 Man City because they've got good players. Theres definitely an element of writing games off from many blues.

Don't necessarily think he's writing games off like. As I say, understandable today but it was different from Monday. But ok, we can point back to last season too and pick and choose the away games at the 'big teams' and it's the same mixed bag of bad performances like today and games like Monday.

 

[Lanolin]

You can call it excuses but I just look at it realistically. They've got far better players than us so we struggle to compete. I just don't see how we begin to get results consistently away from home against the top 6 without a transformation in the players we have in the team.

It would take one hell of a manager to change it or a ridiculous bank balance.

I'm very much a realist. I don't expect us to go away to Chelsea and teach them a footballing lesson. I don't even expect us to get a positive result. I don't expect us to get completely outclassed either though, and we did today. The gap between our players and those of ruzomberok should be much bigger than between us and Chelsea, so how come they can come over and give a good account of themselves but we just roll over and have our tummy tickled?