Ronald Koeman discussion

[4737carlin]

I think Koeman will turn this bad patch around and we will finish the season in a respectable position. Not so sure he can win a trophy or break into the top six (please prove me wrong Ron).

Can see him leaving after 3 years, having steadied the ship that Martinez was on his way to sinking, leaving a decent foundation for the next manager.

For me this is the worst part of the recent season's, Martinez had such a good foundation but killed it, the job Koeman has been asked to do is massive but he has had the backing.
The budget was there to build a good team but we seemed to go out and buy a load of decent players but with no thought about how they were going to work together

 

[KaiserEFC]

I would be interested to see the team without the old boys club of Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Rooney and to some extent Dunc just to see if there is an attitude change

 

[Tel001]

Should we ever, ever be 3-0 down at half time at home to Spurs? Obviously you can take a heavy defeat to the top sides in the league. There's no shame in that. There can be shame in the type of performance we put in. Same goes for Atalanta. Against Spurs, we had the entire second half to attempt to rally, maybe get a goal back, give the fans some fight to cheer for and some hope for future games. Instead after half time we looked even worse than we did in the first half. That's just abysmal.


We're going to lose football matches. Let's face it we're all used to it by now. But some posters seem to want to take all context and evidence out of their posts. Of course we can lose to Spurs and Chelsea. It would be nice if we gave it a bit of a go mind you. Is that too much to ask?

We weren't 3-0 down at HT against Spurs... we were by the 47th minute tho

 

[Khalekan]

You seem to think that stamping your feet and screaming "but I want Everton to be the best team now!" is a winning mentality.

It isn't.

Okay, Tom.. ..I will take it that a silly reply like that means you accept that Burnley's results at Chelsea and Spurs drives a coach and horses through your argument but haven't the grace to admit it or the sense to stop thumping your tub

 

[allezlesbleus]

If I am not mistaken Spurs trounced us 4-0 on the opening day of the 1984/85 season, when we were full of optimism after lifting the Cup in May.

I am open to correction here.

(oh....and we know how that season ended )

4-1!!! We started brightly though and fell away. Lost second game away at WBA, dug out 1-0 at Chelsea for first win game 3!!

 

[allezlesbleus]

I would be interested to see the team without the old boys club of Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Rooney and to some extent Dunc just to see if there is an attitude change

When the effort of the team, or rather the response to a bit of adversity such as going a goal down is as poor as we have shown in 3 games now it is hard to wonder about splits in the camp about the way forward. The lack of unity and team spirit is glaring. Often a case when there is a whole new set of players brought in...... Just throwing a bit of conspiracy into a rubbish run of games!!

 

[billybadger]

We are never going to do anything with Kenwright and his fake cronies in charge so we may as well put Unsworth in charge and give the kids a go,couldn't do much worse than the current mob!

 

[billyblue80]

I would be interested to see the team without the old boys club of Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Rooney and to some extent Dunc just to see if there is an attitude change

You won't have long to wait two seasons at least three of these will be gone

 

[KaiserEFC]

Good, I'm intrigued to see if it changes anything at all

 

[allezlesbleus]

You won't have long to wait two seasons at least three of these will be gone

Two more years of Bainsey's turning the ball inside to Jags or Wiliams for a long punt to a centre forward who no longer has the pace to be a centre forward????? Sigh.

 

[degsy]

Look Ronny was asked to build a squad to compete, sadly they took away the tools to do that, so its just a case of making do, people talk about all this money we have spent, the teams above us have been spending the same amount EVERY year of the last 10 or so, but ok.

Money doesnt buy success, only proper team building can achieve that goal, no team, no chance.

We will turn this around, after United we will go on a run only to be brought back down to Earth in a few weeks when we face Lyon and Arsenal, then all the rats will scurry around mentioning utter no marks like Unsworth, Silva and Favre, bringing up Ronnys time at Valencia 10 years ago like the laughable mutants they are, Valencia havent won a single pot since Koeman left, for the record.

Productivity in the final 3rd.

I hope your right but my initial thought was - dream on sunshine

 

[degsy]

If Koeman sends them out in just another variation of the same old same old...well that's a sackable offense for me.

 

[Mikeonlythebestwilldo]

Two more years of Bainsey's turning the ball inside to Jags or Wiliams for a long punt to a centre forward who no longer has the pace to be a centre forward????? Sigh.

Like I said they'd get somewhere if they just pass on the deck . Quick small passes forward they'd actually get somewhere I'd reckon mate

 

[Khalekan]

4-1!!! We started brightly though and fell away. Lost second game away at WBA, dug out 1-0 at Chelsea for first win game 3!!

I remember the Chelsea game well.

I was moving house that day and left the wife to sort it out as the match was live on TV on a Friday night.

Kevin Richardson scored the goal from an acute angle IIRC

 

[JelavicBrate2]

So...Koeman finishing 6th and 7th at Southampton is more impressive than Martinez finishing 5th at Everton.

Your critique blames Koeman for not signing players, yet he doesn't sign players.

It's whether we need them a striker when you have no striker is more important than signing a central midfielder. He has made some good signings, Pickford, Snides, Gueye, but I feel like most Evertonians he has bought too many players who play in the same position. Koemann did well at Southampton, nobody disputes that but I don't think he's been particularly impressive so far, considering the money he has spent. Ranieri won the league, yet lost to, I think Luxembourg at home when managing Greece the season before. Martinez would probably win the league, if he managed Barcelona, because their players are suited to his style of play. I don't think anybody knows why a manager can be successful at one club and a failure at another, look a Brendan Rogers he did great at Swansea, nearly won the league with Liverpool, then sold Suarez and bought in a load of average players and lost his job a year later. Football is a strange game, I still don't understand how Mustafi when from not even getting on the bench at Everton in 2009/2010 to moving to Arsenal for 50 million or something 6 years later.