Ronald Koeman discussion

[Joey66]

Get a clue Joey, the manager doesnt buy the players.

He has a say come on lover boy you have to agree with that he is the manager the DOF gets the players he itemises
So don't fob that idea that he is not to blame!

 

[Joey66]

Personally Joey, I think Sigurdsson is a player we needed, because of the Barkley situation.

I'm not blaming Ross or anything, but since he wanted/wants out (and is injured) we did need another creative player.

The main worry is Koeman maybe not knowing how to get the best out of him just yet...

That being said, we'd see a much better output from Gylfi if he was given somebody to provide for up top, rather than having to play as a CF himself!

That's why I can't understand the logic in spending so much on a player like Gylfi, but not following that up with a striker.

And that is on the board.

Sign. A striker first why sign Klassen 26 million who looks slow ?
Why all the no 10s"?....

 

[BlueToff]

You do not know this in any way shape or form so stop lying.

Koeman himself said the players he wanted did not want to come here for whatever reasons. It happens. We should have had a better back up option.

Also to be fair we did sign a promising Spanish striker who scored a decent amount of goals in La Liga last season plus England and Manchester United's record all time goalscorer. So lets not pretend we did not sign strikers, we obviously just did not sign the right ones for the system he elects to play. We DO have strikers at the club.

The person who claimed it, I do trust. I'm not lying.

But yeh, we did seem to put our eggs in the Giroud basket. To not have another 2 to 3 players lined up that were 'correct' or of the required quality is still a huge failing on the part of the people who get the deals done.

And yes we did sign strikers, I've said as much myself. But ultimately none of them are currently filling that role adequately - so many times yesterday we got into decent crossing positions, but there was nobody in the box...

 

[Lanolin]

Not having that.

The unfortunate error was also made by Keane, Jagielka and Pickford earlier in the game. Similar basic passes in dangerous areas. We got very lucky that it took them that long to punish us for it.

Our passing is awful, mainly because there is nobody to pass too most of the time as we are so static and our players seem confused as to what they are supposed to be doing.

Also there is zero point playing well for 82 minutes if the other 8 are hideous.

Couldn't agree more with this.

So much of the 'improvement' comes from us deciding not to offer any attacking threat. We basically played Rooney as a 'false 9' (I hate the terminology but you know what I mean) and Martina was far enough forward to be a winger. That effectively gave us a 6 man midfield, meaning we could knock the ball around pretty easily and get the possession stats up. It also meant that when we got further forward there were no options. This is why pace is important, despite what some people try to argue you can knock the ball around quickly but if nobody can get ahead of the ball you won't get anywhere quickly.

As soon as we tried to show more intent by bringing on attackers, we lost all control of the game and conceded 3 goals. It was a mirage, an illusion of control where there was none.

 

[Gladystweet]

Don't agree. I thought we played well for most of that game yesterday and should have been level before Williams error lead to the game effectively ending in the 83rd minute.

It was certainly an improvement on what we've served up in the last few weeks.

We were just a little bit of quality from actually getting something. I wouldn't say Utd were rattled for most of the second half, but we certainly took the game to them at times.
Then the mistakes, lack of confidence, self belief..who knows. We've just got to start scoring. Maybe it'll relive the pressure a bit.

 

[BlueToff]

Sign. A striker first why sign Klassen 26 million who looks slow ?
Why all the no 10s"?....

Well Klaassen isn't really a number 10.

He's a central midfielder whose main asset is drifting into space and making forward runs to support the strikers, linking the play with crisp one-touch passing.

In every game he's played he's attempted to do that. This notion he's been awful is absolutely ridiculous. In fact, after Keane and Pickford I'd say he's the one who's settled in quickest and I don't know why Koeman didn't bring him on yesterday.

Klaassen plays the ball quickly and it's actually what this team needs. Unfortunately, most of the others don't seem on the same wavelength!

 

[PhilEFC]

Just watching Countdown now, and if Ronald is getting it together with Rachel Riley, I'm proud of him.

She is beautiful.

 

[marnie]

State of twitter. Kluitenberg has deleted his account due to the abuse he is getting.

Backroom Staff packing their bags already. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bluestevon]

I think the fact he said 'away' is quite important here mate.

Even still mate, that would require 1 win over a top 6 team away over the period of 16 and a half seasons.

We've beaten city at the ground four times of the last 11 for starters, also beaten United, beaten spurs during that period also, still crap ofc but as I said bad enough already to not need exaggerating.

 

[APN_EFC]

Personally Joey, I think Sigurdsson is a player we needed, because of the Barkley situation.

I'm not blaming Ross or anything, but since he wanted/wants out (and is injured) we did need another creative player.

The main worry is Koeman maybe not knowing how to get the best out of him just yet...

That being said, we'd see a much better output from Gylfi if he was given somebody to provide for up top, rather than having to play as a CF himself!

That's why I can't understand the logic in spending so much on a player like Gylfi, but not following that up with a striker.

And that is on the board.

My concern with Gylfi and the new team is that it's a very different style. We were set up and trying to (Albeit not well yet - but we were showing flashes in the last few years) play a pacey, counter attacking, swift style of play, and we had fast players. The lovely Stones-Barkley-Lukaku set up with Mirallas, Baines, Coleman, in theory, and with all of them at their best, was an exciting team for a fast aggressive style.

Now all of our players are more slow paced, 'unlocking defences with neat passes', or 'chess strategy' style players, and I don't think we're sorted about how we're supposed to play yet.

totally different set up, and the coaching and tactics are obviously not catching up

 

[Gladystweet]

Backroom Staff packing their bags already. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's not enough life boats for the rest of us...

 

[Joey66]

Well Klaassen isn't really a number 10.

He's a central midfielder whose main asset is drifting into space and making forward runs to support the strikers, linking the play with crisp one-touch passing.

In every game he's played he's attempted to do that. This notion he's been awful is absolutely ridiculous. In fact, after Keane and Pickford I'd say he's the one who's settled in quickest and I don't know why Koeman didn't bring him on yesterday.

Klaassen plays the ball quickly and it's actually what this team needs. Unfortunately, most of the others don't seem on the same wavelength!

Flat footed Klassen are you seeing a different player than me?
he Rooney Sig fall over each other when they play!

 

[APN_EFC]

Not having that.

The unfortunate error was also made by Keane, Jagielka and Pickford earlier in the game. Similar basic passes in dangerous areas. We got very lucky that it took them that long to punish us for it.

Our passing is awful, mainly because there is nobody to pass too most of the time as we are so static and our players seem confused as to what they are supposed to be doing.

Also there is zero point playing well for 82 minutes if the other 8 are hideous.

I thought you said..'zero point..if the other 8 are hilarious'...

Hilarious would work as well

 

[BlueToff]

My concern with Gylfi and the new team is that it's a very different style. We were set up and trying to (Albeit not well yet - but we were showing flashes in the last few years) play a pacey, counter attacking, swift style of play, and we had fast players. The lovely Stones-Barkley-Lukaku set up with Mirallas, Baines, Coleman, in theory, and with all of them at their best, was an exciting team for a fast aggressive style.

Now all of our players are more slow paced, 'unlocking defences with neat passes', or 'chess strategy' style players, and I don't think we're sorted about how we're supposed to play yet.

totally different set up, and the coaching and tactics are obviously not catching up

true.

Coleman and Bolasie are huge misses for this side.

They both provide pace and width but also the guile and experience needed in the Prem as well.

We looked brilliant at points last year when we had Ross as an inside forward, as he had Coleman acting as the winger from a right-back position.

I think the aim is to have a similar style as that, but it'll take time to click.

 

[Joey66]

Next time you go to Goodison ask Ron to sign his autograph on this , and when he asks why/
tell him he has been signing it all season!lol