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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Im not going to go full knee jerk and join the Koeman out club.He deserves time to turn it around.But this comment on that red rag sorry i mean red echo site, gives plenty food for thought imo.

In case he gets asked some arkward questions, all he does is pass the buck and blame the players, just Google his time at Valencia to see what type of man and manager he is. 2 away wins in the last 20, 3 wins out of the last 10 games last season, dumped out of both cup competitions early, we only got in Europa League cos top 4 won both domestic trophies, can't remember the last time we got a 90 minute display out of them, all this from the 11th highest paid manager on the planet, £500.000 a month
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We still using glorious Burnley as an exemplar of how to play football?
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Cork Evertonian said:
A bit of reading here on Koemans ill fated spell at Valencia.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport
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He lost Joaquín when he dropped him from the squad for arriving two minutes late to a team-talk, even though he had included Ever Banega, who'd been picked up by the police for drink-driving, prompting the winger to snipe: "Maybe next time I'll get pissed and run a red light instead." And he lost Iván Helguera and more when he publicly berated the players for not being good enough, prompting Helguera to bemoan a "lack of respect".
 

LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
He lost Joaquín when he dropped him from the squad for arriving two minutes late to a team-talk, even though he had included Ever Banega, who'd been picked up by the police for drink-driving, prompting the winger to snipe: "Maybe next time I'll get pissed and run a red light instead." And he lost Iván Helguera and more when he publicly berated the players for not being good enough, prompting Helguera to bemoan a "lack of respect".
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A theme perhaps :coffee:
 

I hope Koeman is gone asap, but the problems lie deeper. We appear to be a rudderless ship. The protracted business to get Koeman & Walsh & Siggurdsen. We way overpaid for all 3. Totally indecisive. No options. Not smart at all. Still the same fiasco, just with more money.
 
Zezti said:
We still using glorious Burnley as an exemplar of how to play football?
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I'm not sure how, as it's been explained to you numerous times, but it appears you're still missing the point about Burnley.

The issue is not that people think we should aspire to be Burnley, or that they are a better side than us. Quite the opposite in fact. Rather than your attempt at sarcasm proving anyone wrong, it actually hammers home the point you're trying to refute.

Burnley are an average side, everyone knows that. Your post about their game with Leeds proves that they're not great. All that goes to show is that you don't have to be a great side to get results against the top teams, because Burnley have done it and they can't even beat Leeds. It makes all the thousands of posts about us having to write off our recent run as inevitable completely invalid.
 
People75 said:
Top 6 will be unrealistic. It will be somewhere between, regelation and top 8, depending on the goal problem. i say 8th.
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Well, we shouldn't have outlaid such an amount of money to not at least hit the same finish as last season, mate.

Top 6 isn't unrealistic. But, it's going to be extremely tough. We need to find a way of playing and some consistency pretty quickly, either way.
 
Lanolin said:
I'm not sure how, as it's been explained to you numerous times, but it appears you're still missing the point about Burnley.

The issue is not that people think we should aspire to be Burnley, or that they are a better side than us. Quite the opposite in fact. Rather than your attempt at sarcasm proving anyone wrong, it actually hammers home the point you're trying to refute.

Burnley are an average side, everyone knows that. Your post about their game with Leeds proves that they're not great. All that goes to show is that you don't have to be a great side to get results against the top teams, because Burnley have done it and they can't even beat Leeds. It makes all the thousands of posts about us having to write off our recent run as inevitable completely invalid.
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The huge difference between us and Burnley is that Burnley have kept - bar Keane - exactly the same squad as last season, added in a few extra faces here and there, but in the main that is a team that is well-drilled and knows exactly how the manager wants to set up.

We're clearly still learning - both Koeman and the players.
 

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