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Ronald Koeman discussion

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BlueToff said:
Zidane?
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BlueToff said:
The owner hasn't put forward any ambitions or targets for this season mate, so don't be telling porkies ;)

Look, I'm really unsure.

I want Moshiri to be decisive and that's the main thing.

If we're going to sack Koeman, it might as well be now, as there are two quality replacements we could at least try for even if they don't come off in Tuchel and Ancelotti.

But, there's the other side of the coin in that it's still - even though it doesn't feel that way - extremely early in the campaign relatively speaking, and even at this stage one or two positive results changes everything.

I'm really split.
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He has mate. Live on national TV on deadline day he said the aim was top 6. Koeman then came out and said it wasn't, and finishing 7th would be a good season.
 
Thing is with Tuchel - he can't organise a defence. I'm not sure he's a good fit for the PL but I'd trust him to formulate an attack - although again that being said he had Aubameyang, Pulisic, Kagawa, Rues etc at Dortmund to get him out of trouble if things went wrong.
 

I've always thought the comments about us being a stepping stone for Koeman to Barca were laughable.Now they are absurd given our latest performances and organisation.Going to be a backs to the wall season for us.Can't see Koeman lasting much longer.
 
ryanbeno80 said:
I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!
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Fantastic post, please send it to the club ;)
 
Lanolin said:
He has mate. Live on national TV on deadline day he said the aim was top 6. Koeman then came out and said it wasn't, and finishing 7th would be a good season.
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fair enough, I missed that.

Apologies @bluestevon

I haven't been impressed with Moshiri this season.

In fact, bar the kids and Prince Oumar, everything since the Romelu Lukaku sale in July has reeked of crap from all involved - Moshiri, Bill, the board, the manager, the coaching staff (what does Dunc actually do!?), the experienced players and Steve Walsh - has been awful.
 
ryanbeno80 said:
I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!
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Excellent post and the Snides / Davies comment was raised by many on here. If we can see it why can’t RK.......
 

BlueToff said:
fair enough, I missed that.

Apologies @bluestevon

I haven't been impressed with Moshiri this season.

In fact, bar the kids and Prince Oumar, everything since the Romelu Lukaku sale in July has reeked of crap from all involved - Moshiri, Bill, the board, the manager, the coaching staff (what does Dunc actually do!?), the experienced players and Steve Walsh has been awful.
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His first touch is abysmal and he can’t shoot to save his life. However I’m pleased he owns the club.......
 
I know it's probably just Koeman's nature, but the man is just so cold and emotionless. The disconnect between him and the fans is massive, of the fans I speak to at the game there isn't one who can take to him (cue a load on here saying they love him) he actually doesn't look arsed, and that bothers me.

Now, all of the above wouldn't matter one jot if he was doing well (he could be banging my missus, and I wouldn't care as long as we were winning) but when things are this bad you need the fans with you, and it looks like he's well and truly lost them.
 

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