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Ronald Koeman discussion

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ryanbeno80 said:
I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!
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Great post, Ryan ;)
 

Lanolin said:
I don't think sacking a manager makes a club ambitious, but I would expect an ambitious club to sack a manager when things have clearly gone south. Chelsea did it with Mourinho, United with Moyes, Liverpool with Rodgers. Clubs with real ambition don't accept poor performance for long.
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Then I suppose it's where the board draw the line.

Rodgers went this weekend two years ago, after we'd drawn with them (would have been the 4th of October I believe).

Then again, Mourinho was given until December - though he did have a title win under his belt!

It makes sense to get rid now if we are going to get rid... rather than wait.
 
BlueToff said:
Just as a genuine question, did you view Palace as ambitious when they sacked FDB?

Like, I'm not sure the main criteria of an ambitious club is sacking a manager, that's all - even though if Koeman was shown the door then I wouldn't really care.
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Palace got rid after 4/5 games, we've had 14 we spent 150m and the trend in our current awfulness started about 5-7 games at the end of last season mate.

The manager already publicly contradicted the owners ambitions about the season, we loo likely to bomb out of Europe and a domestic cup early.

I wasn't saying sacking a manager us a sign of an ambitious club, more an ambitious club does and would sack a manager who has delivered what we have seen since April.
 
It's easy to be critical of Moshiri in hindsight with the appointment of Koeman, but I also thought that his PL experience and a very decent record at Soton made him a decent choice. Safe almost.

I thought the initial suggestion of him for the job was underwhelming, but like you do on these occasions, once he got the job you look for the positives and get behind the guy.

Without doubt, taking away his time at Soton, there were clear alarm bells ringing but the benefit of hindsight is great. Koeman has done exceedingly well for himself living off his playing days whilst sustaining a very unremarkable managerial CV. Should the inevitable boot make contact with his backside soon enough, he will probably get another well paid cushy number and there is always the Netherlands job in the end.

The important thing now is to take action and get a replacement in, and hopefully learn from the experience.
 

bluestevon said:
Palace got rid after 4/5 games, we've had 14 we spent 150m and the trend in our current awfulness started about 5-7 games at the end of last season mate.

The manager already publicly contradicted the owners ambitions about the season, we loo likely to bomb out of Europe and a domestic cup early.

I wasn't saying sacking a manager us a sign of an ambitious club, more an ambitious club does and would sack a manager who has delivered what we have seen since April.
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The owner hasn't put forward any ambitions or targets for this season mate, so don't be telling porkies ;)

Look, I'm really unsure.

I want Moshiri to be decisive and that's the main thing.

If we're going to sack Koeman, it might as well be now, as there are two quality replacements we could at least try for even if they don't come off in Tuchel and Ancelotti.

But, there's the other side of the coin in that it's still - even though it doesn't feel that way - extremely early in the campaign relatively speaking, and even at this stage one or two positive results changes everything.

I'm really split.
 

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