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Ronald Koeman discussion

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I don't get why people are going after individual players, this all lies with Ronald Koeman...

Sigurdsson - Keeps getting played on the left, his best position is No.10, when he did move more central yesterday you could see his worth and looked by far our most dangerous player.

Klassen - Don't see how anybody can expect anything from Klassen in a system where all our efforts are focused down the centre, therefore the opposition are going to crowd that area leaving no space at all. We need to be creating space for our creative players to operate by stretching teams with width and movement. We have played with very little width and our movement is non-existent. He is suffocated every time he plays.

Sandro - Again, I don't see how Sandro can perform in this system. Looks technically good, skilful, quick with his feet ect but when our creative players can't get on the ball, I don't see how Sandro can get the required service. Probably why DCL and Niasse are doing well, because you can go route one to them which you can't with Sandro.

I personally don't see how Klassen, Rooney and Sigurdsson can play in the same side. I struggle to see how even two of them can play together. That however is why Koeman gets paid 6 mil a year and I'm sitting in a Portocabin. Koeman has so far failed to create a system where these players can thrive together which in itself, considering the outlay, is a sackable offence. Although I didn't expect them to fully gel after a couple of months, there is a bare minimum you expect and what Koeman has delivered is miles below this. What baffles me even more is that even though only Sigurdsson started out of the trio, he still didn't play central. Putting Niasse and DCL up top and playing direct is a sign of defeat for me on this one.

Another thing that continues to wind me up is playing Gana and Schniederlin together in games we 'should win'...

I could just about accept it if both players are bang on form, but Schniederlin is far from that. We then end up with our team deeper than it should be and Gana is being left to play slightly more advanced and pick the vital passes, that is NOT his game! Should have binned Schniederlin yesterday and Played Gueye holding mid and Davies slightly ahead. That would have created a link and transition between defence and attack which we lost after they scored.

After their goal we looked like a bottom 3 side with a nuisance forward, we lost our shape and our confidence. Surely down to Koemans man management affecting the mentality of the players. We gave in to our game plan so easily, we were timid. Wouldn't mind some of that character Brenden used to go on about so much, he was spot on, massively important.

I'm not taking anything away from DCL, just stating that having to go route one to him despite buying all these creative players (which Koeman now seems to think we have none of) is a sign of Koemans failure. DCL has done fantastic with what he has been given and at times carried us. I'm also sure he will be a massive success under a more modern system.

Their are numerous types of managers... Attacking, defensive, man-managers, coaches, tacticians.

Mourinho & Conte tick all the boxes for me, Klopp ticks 3, Guardiola ticks 4, Alladyce and Pulis tick 3, Martinez 3.

RONALD KOEMAN IS CURRENTLY SHOWING 0 OUT OF THE ABOVE, WE HAVE NO SYSTEM, NO IDENTITY AND WE AREN'T GOOD AT ANYTHING, AT LEAST UNDER MARTINEZ WE COULD SCORE GOALS.

THIS IS THE BEST GROUP OF PLAYERS IVE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME BUT THE WORST TEAM.

HAS TO GO!
 
I'm trying to remember what made Southampton so good that RK was seen as the answer.
Two pacy wing backs, solid CBs, Tadic creating chances for the striker who's name escapes me. It wasn't rocket science anyway and they didn't have half our money.

Bertrand,cedric, van dijk, Tadic, Redmond, Pelle, Long, Clyne and all the other players that the RS signed.
 
thing is he saw us and him being here as that as well - stepping stone, he was always with his personality - doing a job here with no connection really made or wanted by him it appears, to be on thin ice, succeed - yes the fans will back you, but start struggling and their is no love for him amongst the supporters - and thats of his own making really.

Same way no one really shed tears at certain players leaving - because they never really got the club - and it was just a means to an end.

He'll never get a better job than Everton. He'll revert to Micky mouse leagues and golf.
 

I'm trying to remember what made Southampton so good that RK was seen as the answer.
Two pacy wing backs, solid CBs, Tadic creating chances for the striker who's name escapes me. It wasn't rocket science anyway and they didn't have half our money.

Tadic really isn’t all that. But I get your point.
 
I don't really enjoy typing this but the alarm bells are ringing here

We gave Martinez too long before we sacked him, that is at the back of my mind

From where I sit, I don't think you are allowed to spend the kind of money we did in the summer and win 2 games in 10

If we don't sack him during the international break (when it may be convenient, giving us time to sort out a successor either temporary or permanent), I think we should be marking a very clear line in the sand as far as expected improvement goes within a given timescale, and that timescale should be relatively short.

Agree here mate - a reasoned way of putting it.

Basically, after fuming yesterday, I've slept on things. Making a call in the heat of the moment is never a good thing and I doubt Moshiri will do that.

That being said, now seems like as good a time as any for him to go.
 

Bertrand,cedric, van dijk, Tadic, Redmond, Pelle, Long, Clyne and all the other players that the RS signed.
Pellè - that's the man. He was good. I see he's in China now for huge money.
I don't suppose he'd be bothered to come and help out his old boss in January.
Not that Koe is likely to be here then.
 
Everton are interested in appointing Walter Mazzarri as their new manager, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
It has been reported that the Toffees made contact with the former Napoli head coach immediately after their 1-0 defeat to Burnley at Goodison Park in the Premier League on Sunday afternoon.

A meeting could take place in the coming days, with Mazzarri “intrigued” by the prospect of working in the Premier League again, according to the report.

Is he not a dull defensive manager? Can't remember

Edit: No, I'm thinking of somebody else.
 
I've never forgiven him for selling Geri, but was delighted he proved me wrong to an extent last season.

But can anyone actually see us getting better? It's not beyond the imagination that he could take us down.
 

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