Ronald Koeman discussion

[MartSlinger]

I'm trying to remember what made Southampton so good that RK was seen as the answer.
Two pacy wing backs, solid CBs, Tadic creating chances for the striker who's name escapes me. It wasn't rocket science anyway and they didn't have half our money.

His Southampton teams were the complete opposite of his current Everton side, its utter madness.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

But ok that's football

What does that even mean?

 

[brieverton]

Just a feeling about it, it is the sort of game we will turn up and win simply to make things seem a bit better. Remember 2 years ago when we were terrible but beating Newcastle villa and Sunderland were lifelines for better things? Even as far as the February we were looking at a couple of wins for top 8 (despite never getting them).

Part of me believes that the quality of individuals will win us the odd game, a siggurdson free kick, Keane corner, niasse/lewen scoring the odd goal etc. It will be these moments that 'buy' koeman time for another week each time they happen although I won't expect substance to it.

Brighton is a perfect example of it, followed by a crashing to earth against Lyon again and the cycle will continue. I wonder what the point of no return isnfor the board though, out of 2 cup competitions and bottom half struggling to win before December is a pretty big siren to ambitious clubs

You would hope so, and I will always 110% want us to win the next and every game. If that keeps Koeman in a job, absolutely fine with me.

I will say though that I have never seen a team struggle to get through the basics in a game as badly as I have done with us, both in the dying embers of Martinez and now with RK.

We actually need the players to now collectively abandon whatever rubbish Koeman has filled their heads with, and go out and play. It's then the likes of Gylfi might produce something. But equally, more proof we need a new manager.

And I'd say Brighton can't wait to play us. The only time we seem to exceed expectations is when I think we can't get any worse.

 

[BlueToff]

I'm trying to remember what made Southampton so good that RK was seen as the answer.
Two pacy wing backs, solid CBs, Tadic creating chances for the striker who's name escapes me. It wasn't rocket science anyway and they didn't have half our money.

He had them playing a pressing system with quick players, and an energetic midfield.

They also had a bit of physicality about them.

 

[BlueToff]

Are you going to stand and cheer when we can't defend against a 10 man Cypriot team, are you going to clap a team that gets beaten at home to Burnley. How do you get behind that.

No.

I was fuming yesterday and on Thursday.

But if he's not going anywhere just yet, I can't be arsed seeing people moan for the next two weeks.

It's crap at the moment. The manager takes the blame for me and the more experienced players (who the manager picks) aren't far behind in that.

The end of the window was tosh and for that I'd like serious questions to be asked of the board and of Walsh.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

But ok that's football

What does that even mean?

It's beginning to sound like a very dismissive phrase that. He may as well be saying "we've just been beaten by Burnley at home because we had no answer after we went a goal down, but ok s**t happens.."

 

[Papa Shango]

It's scandalous that the only way the right things get done at this club, is through concerted fan pressure and hostility. It shouldn't be that way but the board refuse to act till they are forced.

Like every club on earth?

 

[bluestevon]

Just a feeling about it, it is the sort of game we will turn up and win simply to make things seem a bit better. Remember 2 years ago when we were terrible but beating Newcastle villa and Sunderland were lifelines for better things? Even as far as the February we were looking at a couple of wins for top 8 (despite never getting them).

Part of me believes that the quality of individuals will win us the odd game, a siggurdson free kick, Keane corner, niasse/lewen scoring the odd goal etc. It will be these moments that 'buy' koeman time for another week each time they happen although I won't expect substance to it.

Brighton is a perfect example of it, followed by a crashing to earth against Lyon again and the cycle will continue. I wonder what the point of no return isnfor the board though, out of 2 cup competitions and bottom half struggling to win before December is a pretty big siren to ambitious clubs

Not arguing with this mate as its pretty likely, would say though that an ambitious club would have sacked him this morning.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Like every club on earth?

Not really. Other than Arsenal we've had as few managers as anyone.

 

[BlueToff]

Not arguing with this mate as its pretty likely, would say though that an ambitious club would have sacked him this morning.

Just as a genuine question, did you view Palace as ambitious when they sacked FDB?

Like, I'm not sure the main criteria of an ambitious club is sacking a manager, that's all - even though if Koeman was shown the door then I wouldn't really care.

 

[BlueToff]

Not really. Other than Arsenal we've had as few managers as anyone.

Which isn't a bad thing

 

[Sweeneytoad]

Like every club on earth?

There's a big difference between Goodison hostility and other clubs tbf. How many clubs have booed their players off at half time at Wembley for example? (Semi against United 2015) When we've had enough it gets ugly.

 

[Papa Shango]

There's a big difference between Goodison hostility and other clubs tbf. How many clubs have booed their players off at half time at Wembley for example? (Semi against United 2015) When we've had enough it gets ugly.

I meant the board thing.

The players deserved to be booed off at half time by the way, they were an utter disgrace.

Still are...

 

[tommye]

I see his 'B4 RCA' car numberplate has become an issue now too.

Our fans are great aren't they.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I don't really enjoy typing this but the alarm bells are ringing here

We gave Martinez too long before we sacked him, that is at the back of my mind

From where I sit, I don't think you are allowed to spend the kind of money we did in the summer and win 2 games in 10

If we don't sack him during the international break (when it may be convenient, giving us time to sort out a successor either temporary or permanent), I think we should be marking a very clear line in the sand as far as expected improvement goes within a given timescale, and that timescale should be relatively short.