Ronald Koeman discussion

[kenada_blue]

Oh no, I am not absolving him of blame with that mate... I completely blame him for the set up and plan of the players, for instance I watched him speak to Rooney 5 times about not dropping back and being further up the pitch. Even when the likes of Davies is on the pitch, he can only get so far with no-one ahead of him.

The whole thing has been a bit of a shambles, from the recruitment to the set up of the team and players.

Yeah, totally agree.

The lack of belief of the rest of the players, and how scared they are to pick the ball up or break lines. That's the only reason Rooney drops for the ball. No one else picks or fills in for him.

Niasse on the weekend actually looked like a player based on the pure fact hes direct

 

[Thomasc]

think the main focus is the first season.
seems you're the one being selective Thomas.

Eh? he took over a really steady top 6 side, added 3 players who improved it in the first season and breathed new life into it (Barry, McCArthy and Lukaku) and reaped the rewards.

I don't really know what point you are making, I have acknowledged Martinez had 1 good season, but the was followed by 2 poor seasons and by the time he left we were in full on melt down.

Are you still trying to defend Martinez? seriously?

 

[Yank]

So for some reason it looks like Bayern won't hire Tuchel, can we atleast attempt it?

 

[Moomin]

So for some reason it looks like Bayern won't hire Tuchel, can we atleast attempt it?

We have a manager in place.

 

[Nymzee]

Being crap at your job, getting paid £6m+ per year and getting lots of short European breaks. Not a bad life eh.

I want him in that office, sweating over a tactics board, coming up with 50+ ways to change our fortunes.

Sitting outside a little cafe in Barcelona sipping a cocktail isn't going to make the team any better come Brighton.

Just my thinking anyway.

 

[Yank]

We have a manager in place.

Do you have a point or are you attempting to imitate the games by being boring as possible?

 

[DanB90]

Get Sparky in.

 

[Neiler]

I know what you're saying but we have got centre forwards. Rooney, DCL, Niasse, possibly Sandro would all be classed as centre forwards, so the idea that we don't have anyone doing the link up work and running the channels doesn't really hold up.

The problem is that none of them are currently good enough to be a consistent threat to the opposition. That's also why koeman said there was no point going further down the list than his first couple of options - he didn't just want someone to be a nominal striker, he wanted one out of the top drawer, so when he couldn't get one he decided to stick with what he had.

If you think all we're lacking is a striker then I don't think you've been paying attention. We lack balance, width, pace, chemistry, creativity and urgency. We have big problems at centre half and full back, our central midfielders are badly out of form and our wingers aren't wingers. A goal scorer would certainly help, but it wouldn't even come close to solving our problems.

I have a completely different opinion. I dont think Koeman has that much of a say in negotiating deal bar liking or not likeing a player. I think very clearly the strikers we have were signed with different cavets attached and being now asked to play different roles, DCL is a young player and of course needs space and time to develop, he clearly isnt ready to play a full PL season leading the line, Roony was signed as a 10 in my opinion, Niasse we know isnt wanted and Sandro i think was bought for potential in the understanding their would be an adjustment period. All the chips lay on and planning was based on a system of having a focal point and primary expierenced proven centre forward. I think recruitment was as well. Koeman is now now trying to dig a whole with shovel on a spade.

The club is culpable in that they knew in March Lukaku was gone, that is more then six months to get some deal done. Not mess around with a couple of days late in the window. Heads need to roll but they are not Koemans.

This scenario has inffected the club with a lack of confidence, every single player is playing with a lack of confidence that they are a team playing with out a striker because that is what we are. Its sucked the confidence out of all the players.

I also disagree that we are not making chances, we are making chances, we made loads against Burnley, when the ball gets into the danger area there is no cutting edge and we have players with pocession with no one to pass it to. we also have players taking mad shots from 50 meteres out because they know there is nothing upfornt.

What we have doen this summer is the most idotic thing i can think of in recent years that a football club has done. Spend 150+ mill on players and no one to score a goal.

Its the height of idiocy. Totally down to the club. I have a lot of sympathy for Koeman.

 

[Moomin]

Do you have a point or are you attempting to imitate the games by being boring as possible?

We have a manager, that's my point.

As for Tuchel, he would be a risk to say the least. No experience of the premier league and coming into a team that is struggling. Risky, to say the least.

 

[Lanolin]

I have a completely different opinion. I dont think Koeman has that much of a say in negotiating deal bar liking or not likeing a player. I think very clearly the strikers we have were signed with different cavets attached and being now asked to play different roles, DCL is a young player and of course needs space and time to develop, he clearly isnt ready to play a full PL season leading the line, Roony was signed as a 10 in my opinion, Niasse we know isnt wanted and Sandro i think was bought for potential in the understanding their would be an adjustment period. All the chips lay on and planning was based on a system of having a focal point and primary expierenced proven centre forward. I think recruitment was as well. Koeman is now now trying to dig a whole with shovel on a spade.

The club is culpable in that they knew in March Lukaku was gone, that is more then six months to get some deal done. Not mess around with a couple of days late in the window. Heads need to roll but they are not Koemans.

This scenario has inffected the club with a lack of confidence, every single player is playing with a lack of confidence that they are a team playing with out a striker because that is what we are. Its sucked the confidence out of all the players.

I also disagree that we are not making chances, we are making chances, we made loads against Burnley, when the ball gets into the danger area there is no cutting edge and we have players with pocession with no one to pass it to. we also have players taking mad shots from 50 meteres out because they know there is nothing upfornt.

What we have doen this summer is the most idotic thing i can think of in recent years that a football club has done. Spend 150+ mill on players and no one to score a goal.

Its the height of idiocy. Totally down to the club. I have a lot of sympathy for Koeman.

Yeah I agree that the striker issue was a complete balls up, absolutely. I probably think Koeman is a little bit more involved than you do but generally I agree with the point.

What I disagree with is you effectively saying that there's nothing Koeman can do about it. Plenty of managers have had to deal with a similar situation, and many have made a much better fist of it than him. Moyes was - relatively speaking - very successful using Cahill and Fellaini as strikers, even though they were nothing like Yakubu who they were filling in for. We managed to change the way we were playing and come up with a system which worked then, so why is it impossible now? West Ham managed to get a fair few goals out of Antonio last year when asking him to play as a striker, so it clearly isn't the gargantuan task it's being painted as.

Anyone who saw the pre-season games could see we had issues, and yet 17/18 games later we haven't figured out a way of coping with it. That's terrible management in anyone's book. We could have signed Giroud or whoever and they could have got a long term injury in their first game and left us in exactly the same position so it's not a valid excuse. A good manager finds solutions to this sort of issue, he needs to start earning some of the obscene wage we're paying him and not just blame the lack of a striker for all our ills.

 

[Mick O]

I can't believe anyone can defend him, we've won two away games since January, can't remember us dominating a full 90 mins, we are atrocious for 45 of most games, we play Zombie football, he's the only manager I havnt heard a song for in 40 years of watching Everton, I have never wanted a manager gone more than him

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I can't believe anyone can defend him, we've won two away games since January, can't remember us dominating a full 90 mins, we are atrocious for 45 of most games, we play Zombie football, he's the only manager I havnt heard a song for in 40 years of watching Everton, I have never wanted a manager gone more than him

Walker and Smith had songs? Really? Must have passed me by.

 

[Khalekan]

Walker and Smith had songs? Really? Must have passed me by.

lol


I was wondering about that myself

 

[goodisonopheliac]

I can't believe anyone can defend him, we've won two away games since January, can't remember us dominating a full 90 mins, we are atrocious for 45 of most games, we play Zombie football, he's the only manager I havnt heard a song for in 40 years of watching Everton, I have never wanted a manager gone more than him

I've never heard any songs about Walker or Smith, but OK. Even Martinez got one.

 

[eddy]

I think we need to tell Koeman straight, play Lookman or we freeze your wages simple !