Ronald Koeman discussion

[bicycleheader]

In fairness, if plenty of fans think he can turn it around because he has had these ups and downs with Southampton then I don't think it's so outlandish or disgraceful that the board are fully behind waiting it out. I certainly think he will sort it more or less, if he gets the season, even if I want him out just for being mediocre.

The problem is ambition. If we were ambitious we wouldn't have hired this guy in the first place. If we were ambitiously looking to emulate and better the clubs above us then we wouldnt be letting a manager such as this ride out such a crap run and what looks like a general disorganised mess. We would act and have a proper replacement ready to go.

 

[Khalekan]

In fairness, if plenty of fans think he can turn it around because he has had these ups and downs with Southampton then I don't think it's so outlandish or disgraceful that the board are fully behind waiting it out. I certainly think he will sort it more or less, if he gets the season, even if I want him out just for being mediocre.

The problem is ambition. If we were ambitious we wouldn't have hired this guy in the first place. If we were ambitiously looking to emulate and better the clubs above us then we wouldnt be letting a manager such as this ride out such a crap run and what looks like a general disorganised mess. We would act and have a proper replacement ready to go.

There is just so much wrong with this almost blase acceptance by some of our friends on here of the annual Koeman Autumn Slump, innit Bike.

Like, what club with a smidgen of ambition would tolerate that?

We have now had two major slumps in less than a season and a quarter under this fellow

And the second of these shows no signs of abating anytime soon

 

[The Littlest Yobo]

That's exactly the issue. Everton are demonstrably unambitious. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that our supposed "competitors" like Liverpool, Spurs etc would be tolerating these performances so far. The manager would be sacked.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I think the profile picture of Koeman on this thread needs changing.I think a picture of the disheveled tramp beard version of Koeman would be more appropriate.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

That's exactly the issue. Everton are demonstrably unambitious. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that our supposed "competitors" like Liverpool, Spurs etc would be tolerating these performances so far. The manager would be sacked.

As well as that the whole fanbases of those clubs would be looking for blood as well.Sadly we have a lot of happy clappers amongst our support, who are happy enough to put up with and placidly accept second rate performances and mediocrity.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

That's exactly the issue. Everton are demonstrably unambitious. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that our supposed "competitors" like Liverpool, Spurs etc would be tolerating these performances so far. The manager would be sacked.

They are not really our competitors, though. It kills me to say this but since we last won a trophy the RS have won the Europa League, three League Cups, two FA Cups and a European Cup/Champions League.

I understand where you're coming from, though: to get to their level we need to be more ruthless.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

A comment here from a red echo article.I feel this guys anger.

The honest answer is that the blame rests with the manager. The players are frustrated, they don’t like losing, the manager and his brother have no inspiration - van Gall mark two. There’s no leadership or emotion from the touch line, none in the dressing room and none of the pitch. Good money was paid for other clubs ok players but no world beaters and a group of young future talent but no flagship signing! Now everyone at the club including the manager is frustrated and getting more and more so. The supporters have lost patience this is not Southampton this is EVERTON a proud club with the record for being the longest top flight club in England. Don’t let this Dutch journeyman destroy it - part Company and let the fire and passion of Unsworth have a shot, if we go down st least we’ll fight not like the Dutchman iceman’s passionless, feeble roll overs. Yes Williams is guilt of gross misconduct but the mitigating circumstance all revolve around Koeman. He’s not the man for Everton anymore than Martinez was.

 

[Baldynut]

Bramley Moore wont go ahead if Everton`s premiership status is under threat.
The SPV agreement with the council hinges on being in the PL.
I personally think Moshiri has his eye on the Arsenal game more than he did with the Lyon game.
If we lose Sunday he`s gone...

 

[tim cahill]

Bramley Moore wont go ahead if Everton`s premiership status is under threat.
The SPV agreement with the council hinges on being in the PL.
I personally think Moshiri has his eye on the Arsenal game more than he did with the Lyon game.
If we lose Sunday he`s gone...

We will lose on Sunday, I bet he won't be gone.

 

[Toffeelover]

I think it would've made more sense to not play Martina at all.

True but who would have played instead that was eligible? Just pointing out Koeman's bizarre team selection.

 

[kenada_blue]

Bramley Moore wont go ahead if Everton`s premiership status is under threat.
The SPV agreement with the council hinges on being in the PL.
I personally think Moshiri has his eye on the Arsenal game more than he did with the Lyon game.
If we lose Sunday he`s gone...

Even if it's a draw, I think he's gone.

 

[MACCA75]

In fairness, if plenty of fans think he can turn it around because he has had these ups and downs with Southampton then I don't think it's so outlandish or disgraceful that the board are fully behind waiting it out. I certainly think he will sort it more or less, if he gets the season, even if I want him out just for being mediocre.

The problem is ambition. If we were ambitious we wouldn't have hired this guy in the first place. If we were ambitiously looking to emulate and better the clubs above us then we wouldnt be letting a manager such as this ride out such a crap run and what looks like a general disorganised mess. We would act and have a proper replacement ready to go.

I'm not sure what has given the impression that we are ambitious?

The club want to be there if one of the top 6 suddenly collapse, but there is no ambition to actively break into the top 6. And actually, that is understandable. The top 6 are long gone, they are away over the hill.
If we signed 20 more players on 100k a week then our wage bill would still be less than Arsenal, who are the club out of the 6 we are perhaps closest to at the moment.

Everton want to be 'best of the rest' and take advantage of any car crash seasons from the real big boys. That is the strategy, if not the message.
Koeman has shown he can deliver it.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Just had a watch of the above, seems like Kendall was in the same boat that Koeman is in now, right down to the boos at Goodison.

Personally, I would have sacked him, but he is still here and now has the chance over the next two games to get something going.

Arsenal are not the strongest away from home and are beatable. Conte is saying Chelsea's schedule is impossible, suggesting to me that we could well see Chelsea put a reserve team out against us.

He has to win both of these games now.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Even if it's a draw, I think he's gone.

I’d be astounded if that’s the case. Think it’ll take 3 straight losses to Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester to see him go.

 

[Azza]

Arsenal and Chelsea are both expected loses remember.