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Ronald Koeman discussion

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The Esk said:
I have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean.

The point is that Koeman has to be pragmatic and given the current circumstances with a very poor, slow, devoid of invention midfield, erratic wingers and playing Lukaku up front alone is not working and has not worked for a couple of years.

In the absence of fresh players until the next window mixing it up a bit and playing longer, going to a 4-4-2 system is a decent response.
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Barkley hasn't been half as bad as has been made out & large parts of his poor form koeman should be held responsible for long balls bypssing the midfield & an insistence on cross after cross are not conducive to getting the best out of ball playing midfielders. I'd add he worked hard v Southampton too & constantly showed for the ball unlike virtually all his they teammates I watched it with my kopite father in all who was astounded when he subbed Barkley
 
Simon baker said:
Not sure if you are aware of Matt cheetham he is a stats analyst for sky & an Everton season ticket holder he is very very scathing of our current style have a look he has some very interesting data

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Its so blatant its actually painful and embarrassing

But hey, let's see what he does when he spends £100mill on the Dutch Lee Cattermole and the Italian Shane Long
 

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
Yeah davek gueye and Williams are spot on mate remember who signed some of the rest yeah mate
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All this team required was someone to sort out the defence. It's still a shambles, though. And the attacking side of our game has been obliterated.

These players can get on the ball and attack in numbers. They've proven it often enough in the past. Koeman has come in and adopted a scorched earth policy. Is it any wonder the players haven't got a clue what to do now - and that's the reason we've taken just 7 of the last 27 points on offer.
 
granter79 said:
Same result as Soton game. Loose possession.

Id like to see Ross back in the weekend but whole balance of how we play needs to improve. When to play and when to go long.
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Would be nice to have someone in the middle that can dictate play and pass now and again. I know Ross has got a lot of stick, but compare his creativity to Barry...!!!!
 
The Esk said:
I have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean.

The point is that Koeman has to be pragmatic and given the current circumstances with a very poor, slow, devoid of invention midfield, erratic wingers and playing Lukaku up front alone is not working and has not worked for a couple of years.

In the absence of fresh players until the next window mixing it up a bit and playing longer, going to a 4-4-2 system is a decent response.
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Don't get me wrong mate, I'm no PL manager but if the above is true in terms of his reasoning then I find it all the more baffling.

Because what he is saying is: None of the players I have fit the system that I want to play, in an attacking sense.

What is even more startling is his assertion that none of the kids are ready either, all of whom are at an age where he they are far more likely to readily take on new ideas with ease.

In the meantime, he is going to serve this up until little by little he dismantles the team. We aren't talking about a three year process imo, we are now talking about 5 years +. Easily.

Klopp, Pep, Jose, Pochettino... these guys came in and despite not having the players to play their system, made them play it anyway. I very much doubt Kolorov will be playing for City after this season, for example, but he's still having to play the Pep way. What is our way? Why aren't we writing off this season, if we have to, in order to set a standard/way of playing which we can adopt for the whole of his tenure. After all, anything higher than last season's finish is a success.

I genuinely wouldn't mind the inconsistency if I felt like I was watching something develop. A Koeman team (whatever that may be). Instead yesterday I watched us punt a ball to Lukaku who would sometimes win the duel, sometimes not, but in any event pass the ball to one of our wingers whilst he then had to sprint to get in the box.

Genuinely baffling.
 
This is what our formation looks like:

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Imagine its central though

We leave a massive gap which Barkley should be filling but doesn't. Gueye and Barry cant move it forward... we just then get stuck in the midfield with no way to push back
 

Pabbers said:
Would be nice to have someone in the middle that can dictate play and pass now and again. I know Ross has got a lot of stick, but compare his creativity to Barry...!!!!
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agree. Id like to see us get Schderlin in Jan and have a midfield 3 of him, ross and gana. But the Ross we want in there has to finding a blue shirt each time and putting himself about which is reason he was sat on bench yest. Painful watching Barry and Cleverly yesterday when Gana can do both their jobs!!
 

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