davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Good post mate.
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mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
lollollollollol
Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
What works for me is, in my head I read any of his posts in the voice of Mike Parry. That way I can just dismiss it as "hasn't got a clue what he is blathering on about".
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
It does not seem he is willing to give our manager time. I honestly think Koeman deserves time and money. We are 7th and he is chosen by Moshiri to do the job. From 12th/13th to 7th in 7 months. This is progress.
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Can we keep any grandad chat to the necessary thread please?
I see he never responded to this, shockingly.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
To be fair, this is very true. People should have more patience.
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-potential-replacement.53652/page-1077#post-1977148
On Martinez, before he'd even had a competitive fixture.
Superb.
The most important thing here is that we respect consistency of opinions - Dave doesn't rate Koeman, and still doesn't, and that is fair. Many don't agree, but he's still entitled to his opinion.
billytoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
Who'd have guessed @hktoffee would be a hypocrite.
I would have.
Hopefully some more additions this window who can slot straight into Koemans style and we can push for a good finish in preparation for next season.
Obviously we were in the midst of the League Cup Semi-Finals last season, so I can see why some are loathe to say we're definitively better off now at this exact point
What I will say is that the calmness I had at the start of the season has generally remained. Obviously I'd like to see us do some more business in this window, but we've got two signings in relatively early and Koeman seems to be gradually doing the following;
A - Putting the team together that he wants
and
B - Starting to get that team gradually playing a bit more football over just long ball
Still lots of work to be done, but I don't feel as negative or desperate about Everton as I did in Martinez's last two seasons, so there's that at least
I'm hoping he does much better in the cups next season, but sometimes you'll have a bad year in the cups, like we did in 14/15, so I'm not using that as a stick to overly beat him with in his first season. If he does it again next season, then yes that's a cause for concern, but at the moment I've not got the knives out over it
I've said this quite a lot in the past 6 months or so, but I feel it bares repeating, this process will take time.
Yes, we haven't had as great a run thus far as we did in 13/14, but we've had a considerably better start than we did in the previous two seasons and we've had some good wins against Top 6 sides, and a few draws peppered amongst them as well
We need to do better against the teams further down the table, and losing the Derby was a kick in the nards, but overall being 7th at this exact moment in time is a slight improvement over past seasons. It's not where we want to be, and not where we should be aiming in the future, but for a new managers first season after two really awful League campaigns it is at least a step in the right direction. There has been some improvement, however slight
A buzz phrase over the pond at the moment is "draining the swamp". There's no disputing in my eyes that things had become decidedly toxic and unpleasant during the end of the previous managerial reign. We were divided as a fan base on here between cultists and plotters. The last remnants of that war are still being fought, mostly in this thread. In fact, the plotters and cultists have now ironically swapped places!
I propose a solution
Let's put an end to this age of plotters and cultists, and just go back to being supporters eh?
I really think it's too early to decide on Koeman one way or the other, so how about we take a balanced view on him and give him the time he needs to give us the answer to the 7 Million Pound question, "Is he going to be a good Everton manager?"
The ball is in your court Mr. Koeman, let's see where you take us next
Peace Out
What I will say is that the calmness I had at the start of the season has generally remained. Obviously I'd like to see us do some more business in this window, but we've got two signings in relatively early and Koeman seems to be gradually doing the following;
A - Putting the team together that he wants
and
B - Starting to get that team gradually playing a bit more football over just long ball
Still lots of work to be done, but I don't feel as negative or desperate about Everton as I did in Martinez's last two seasons, so there's that at least
I'm hoping he does much better in the cups next season, but sometimes you'll have a bad year in the cups, like we did in 14/15, so I'm not using that as a stick to overly beat him with in his first season. If he does it again next season, then yes that's a cause for concern, but at the moment I've not got the knives out over it
I've said this quite a lot in the past 6 months or so, but I feel it bares repeating, this process will take time.
Yes, we haven't had as great a run thus far as we did in 13/14, but we've had a considerably better start than we did in the previous two seasons and we've had some good wins against Top 6 sides, and a few draws peppered amongst them as well
We need to do better against the teams further down the table, and losing the Derby was a kick in the nards, but overall being 7th at this exact moment in time is a slight improvement over past seasons. It's not where we want to be, and not where we should be aiming in the future, but for a new managers first season after two really awful League campaigns it is at least a step in the right direction. There has been some improvement, however slight
A buzz phrase over the pond at the moment is "draining the swamp". There's no disputing in my eyes that things had become decidedly toxic and unpleasant during the end of the previous managerial reign. We were divided as a fan base on here between cultists and plotters. The last remnants of that war are still being fought, mostly in this thread. In fact, the plotters and cultists have now ironically swapped places!
I propose a solution
Let's put an end to this age of plotters and cultists, and just go back to being supporters eh?
I really think it's too early to decide on Koeman one way or the other, so how about we take a balanced view on him and give him the time he needs to give us the answer to the 7 Million Pound question, "Is he going to be a good Everton manager?"
The ball is in your court Mr. Koeman, let's see where you take us next
Peace Out
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
So you have a dig at me everyday are you having fun? If you want to talk about RM do it in the Martinez thread. Don't bring this up here.
I have made my mind up when he was at Wigan. I don't want RM in the first place. But would I go and have a dig at RM in his first season everyday like dave and praised Moyes? Nah.
Happy now orly you get my reaction? You are sick you are obsessed with me lol.
Koeman is Koeman. RM is RM. Two separate issue. RK is now doing his job and Everton are sitting in the 7th place.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Ok allied let's make this straight.
Koeman is different. He proved his worth at Soton while the previous manager relegated his club thus I already made my mind up long time ago. Koeman deserves his time AND he is chosen by Moshiri.
If you and orly have problem with me PM me in private. Cheers.
Very true.
One of the things @davek had been most vociferous about during the autumn long slump which started in mid September was the fact that Koeman was not getting the most out of the squad he inherited.
He was shouted down with a chorus of "he inherited rubbish and they all need binned".
Yet on Sunday we saw one of the best performances, and certainly the best result, from an Everton team in years and the starting XI consisted of ten players whom were already at the club when Ronald arrived
Dave is an insightful bugger and Ronald has got the message
Aye, there's definitely a large element of hating Koeman for the sake of it within his posts, but I think people are missing the very valid criticisms in there too.
We don't have an identifiable way of playing football yet, we're incredibly inconsistent and we still don't know our best team. My biggest gripe is with the early cup exits, which have proven easy to forget for a lot of people, with the brilliant victory over City. They still rankle with me.
On the plus side, his handling of our younger players has been outstanding and, unlike Dave, I think his public dressing down of the board over transfers was a brave and necessary thing to do.
We need far more weekends like last one before I'm fully convinced, but I'm starting to believe
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