deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
Fatty Koeman’s nickname should have been ‘Ting’?
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Ronald koeman . New barca manager.
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I stand by it Catcher. I think "clubs" is the key word here. IF NYC, Melbourne, Mumbai and Man City end up sharing ownership of Messi and parading him around the franchises to avoid FFP etc; Man City can no longer be considered an independent club in their own right. It's my view and I stand by it, but am going to stop replying for the sanity of both of us.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
It's fine for you to stand by it, but you're not making any sense.
You seem to be against club A signing a player, and loaning them to club b, which means club c should be held responsible. There's no sense in this.
I am struggling to see what is uniquely winding you up about it. I'm open to be persuaded, but I am struggling to be so given your analysis.
There is a gulf in difference between independent club A loaning to independent club B and City Group (no matter who holds the paperwork) buying a player and touring him around their franchises
Anyway - Im out
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
You've already said, that the club, not the ownership would hold the paperwork.
I mean if you're against any transfer where the manager doesn't hold the paperwork, that is going to be pretty much every club and every transfer is wrong, as I'm unaware of any transfer where the registration was down to the manager.
You're making no sense here I'm afraid. All you've proven, is that if New York City sign Messi, and AN other team (including City) sign him on loan, they are doing nothing wrong and behaving consistently with the value set of the wider game.
I assume you haven't missed the point the NYC are also owned by Abu Dhabi United Group
I dont see how you can consider a deal between two franchises under collective ownership of Abu Dhabi United Group (or anyone else) as the same as a loan between independent club A&B. For me that is black and white & a shifting of the goalposts.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I don't, but how you described it suggested to me that was how you viewed it. The fact you were going on about managers owning paperwork seemed to solify that impression.
So essentially your aversion is to any transfer activity, between two parties who may share similar owners?
I mean this has been going on for a long time, way before City. It just seems odd it is this moment is a very odd one to kick off. It's a part of the fabric of the game, if you didn't kick off before, not sure why someone would now.
If a private business want to sign Messi thats fine. If they want to sell/loan him fine. If another private business, with a seperate board etc want to buy/loan him, then fine. It's the mechanics of football.
deipnosophist
Player Valuation: £80m
You said “discuss”, and if Koeman’s nickname was ‘Ting’, that’d mean “discuss Ting”...which describes what I think of Fatty.
Somewhat tortuous ...but hopefully you get it. Happy New Year!
twoblue
Player Valuation: £35m
Didn’t we already see this with lampard? Admittedly he was at the end of his career and messi is a bigger draw, costs and profile.
Tbh scratch the surface on any club ownership and it’s pretty shady. Best just focusing on the pitch.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
It happens a lot. Regularly with RB franchise. Clubs with sister clubs abroad etc. No idea why doing it means you're not a football club. It is a central part of football these days. Bit of a mad statement really. I tried to ask him to expand, but (and I'm sure he'd agree) nothing he was saying really made any sense.
Glad he recognised he'd called it wrong and bowed out.
More me being a bit dozy.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
It's a clear attempt to use financial might to end run the rules.
It's easily cured. Prohibit loans between sister clubs. If transferred between sister clubs, players must be sold to club B for the pro rata amount of the transfer fee paid by club A, based on the remaining length of the contract. If the contract length is shorter than three years, then three years is used. Ditto for signing bonuses.
That still lets City foist off part of a hypothetical Messi transfer fee (he leaves on a free in reality) on NYCFC, but he'd have to cool his heels in New York for a year for City to get a 1/3 discount on the transfer fee under FFP. It also prohibits City from foisting his wages off on NYCFC.
That's fair.
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