Ronald Koeman

[meagher94]

I can see why some people wanted Emery based on a very good European record but I would like to put forward the case for why Koeman was an overwhelming first choice.

What have Everton fans said we wanted in a manager?

1. An individual with a world class reputation that can attract players based on his standing in the game, something recent Everyon managers didn't possess.

Just look at his playing record

- 4 x Spanish League titles, Copa del Rey a European Cup and Super Cup with Barcelona

- 4 x Dutch League titles, multiple domestic cups and a European Cup at PSV and Ajax

- He was a key member of the European Championship winning Holland team, being seen as one of the teams key players alongside Gullit and Van Basten

He truly was a pick in any World XI team of the time. You heard the name Koeman and it meant class, a tough defender with a brilliant goalscoring record.

Add in as Manager

3 x League titles in Holland

1 x Copa del Rey in Spain

A clear winning mentality if ever there was one.

If you contrast this with a Klopp, no playing honours, two league titles as manager and 3 domestic cups.

As a player looking to sign for a club using the mangers standing in the game to help make a decision it is clear that Koeman can more than compete with the media darling and saviour of the game Klopp in every concievable way.

2. A tough self assured character who very much can be a disciplinarian when he needs to be. He has not accepted poor performances from key players like Tadic and Mane and has made a point of hauling them off and dropping them when their performances didn't meet his expectations. However as Morgan Schneiderlin said, he very much treats players as human beings and can most definitely do the arm around the shoulder when needed. An essential to develop a Barkley like character that clearly lacks self confidence or to deal with the temperamental characters. Could a manager that speaks Spanish do this anywhere near as effectively? If you were recruiting a manager for any company in England would you recruit one that doesn't speak a word of English and therefore can't directly communicate with his employees. Pochettino despite the myth could speak English fairly well with his players, he just chose to avoid using English with the media until he felt confident enough that any errors he made would not be turned against him. Emery by all accounts can't speak English with any degree of fluency.

3. He develops players within the squad. To quote Sean Long this week. “He’s been brilliant for me, you can see how much my game has come on and I hope he does stay,” He is now linked with Liverpool and Spurs, previously he had been seen as a half decent Premier League player plying his trade at lower ranking Premier league sides like Hull and West Brom.

4. He is tactically astute in the Premier league and has a proven track record against top Premiership teams. His sides are known to be defensively sound, possess a high tempo pressing style, can be direct when needed, yet are attractive on the eye. Tactics that work in Europe don't necessarily translate to Premier League success, so evidence of a managers tactical prowess in the Premier League is a huge plus.Just look at the fat Spanish Waiter, good in Europe but not in the Premier League. Add in other once hugely exciting young European managers, like Ramos and Villas-Boas, who failed to succeed in the Premier league then you start to see why an appointment of an Emery is a huge gamble.

5. Flexible enough to work with a Director of Football but can very much act as a traditional English manager. If the right candidate for DoF can't be sourced e.g. Monchi or Overmars then he will happily function with them. Can Emery exist without a high profile DoF?

6. Prioritises fitness - He will place a greater emphasis on fitness, an issue we've seen with the current squad. As Leicester proved fitness is essential to succeed in the Premier league. As we know from Martinez there is often an obsession in Europe with dedicating the vast majority of time to technical aspects of training.

7. Media savvy, a good communicator with an excellent grasp of English language. As far as I'm aware he has never used the word Phenomenal. As much as we all tired of Martinez and his media appearances would we really welcome hearing our manager speak through an interpreter, as would be the case with Emery. His dressing room team talks would face the same issues.

Yeah but lad, errr, Dutch Moyes and that.

 

[loooweee]

I can see why some people wanted Emery based on a very good European record but I would like to put forward the case for why Koeman was an overwhelming first choice.

What have Everton fans said we wanted in a manager?

1. An individual with a world class reputation that can attract players based on his standing in the game, something recent Everyon managers didn't possess.

Just look at his playing record

- 4 x Spanish League titles, Copa del Rey a European Cup and Super Cup with Barcelona

- 4 x Dutch League titles, multiple domestic cups and a European Cup at PSV and Ajax

- He was a key member of the European Championship winning Holland team, being seen as one of the teams key players alongside Gullit and Van Basten

He truly was a pick in any World XI team of the time. You heard the name Koeman and it meant class, a tough defender with a brilliant goalscoring record.

Add in as Manager

3 x League titles in Holland

1 x Copa del Rey in Spain

A clear winning mentality if ever there was one.

If you contrast this with a Klopp, no playing honours, two league titles as manager and 3 domestic cups.

As a player looking to sign for a club using the mangers standing in the game to help make a decision it is clear that Koeman can more than compete with the media darling and saviour of the game Klopp in every concievable way.

2. A tough self assured character who very much can be a disciplinarian when he needs to be. He has not accepted poor performances from key players like Tadic and Mane and has made a point of hauling them off and dropping them when their performances didn't meet his expectations. However as Morgan Schneiderlin said, he very much treats players as human beings and can most definitely do the arm around the shoulder when needed. An essential to develop a Barkley like character that clearly lacks self confidence or to deal with the temperamental characters. Could a manager that speaks Spanish do this anywhere near as effectively? If you were recruiting a manager for any company in England would you recruit one that doesn't speak a word of English and therefore can't directly communicate with his employees. Pochettino despite the myth could speak English fairly well with his players, he just chose to avoid using English with the media until he felt confident enough that any errors he made would not be turned against him. Emery by all accounts can't speak English with any degree of fluency.

3. He develops players within the squad. To quote Sean Long this week. “He’s been brilliant for me, you can see how much my game has come on and I hope he does stay,” He is now linked with Liverpool and Spurs, previously he had been seen as a half decent Premier League player plying his trade at lower ranking Premier league sides like Hull and West Brom.

4. He is tactically astute in the Premier league and has a proven track record against top Premiership teams. His sides are known to be defensively sound, possess a high tempo pressing style, can be direct when needed, yet are attractive on the eye. Tactics that work in Europe don't necessarily translate to Premier League success, so evidence of a managers tactical prowess in the Premier League is a huge plus.Just look at the fat Spanish Waiter, good in Europe but not in the Premier League. Add in other once hugely exciting young European managers, like Ramos and Villas-Boas, who failed to succeed in the Premier league then you start to see why an appointment of an Emery is a huge gamble.

5. Flexible enough to work with a Director of Football but can very much act as a traditional English manager. If the right candidate for DoF can't be sourced e.g. Monchi or Overmars then he will happily function with them. Can Emery exist without a high profile DoF?

6. Prioritises fitness - He will place a greater emphasis on fitness, an issue we've seen with the current squad. As Leicester proved fitness is essential to succeed in the Premier league. As we know from Martinez there is often an obsession in Europe with dedicating the vast majority of time to technical aspects of training.

7. Media savvy, a good communicator with an excellent grasp of English language. As far as I'm aware he has never used the word Phenomenal. As much as we all tired of Martinez and his media appearances would we really welcome hearing our manager speak through an interpreter, as would be the case with Emery. His dressing room team talks would face the same issues.

My head was sorta going through those points today I am throughly sold now

 

[Pilks]

That act alone would put him at #3 greatest manager behind Kendall and Catterick.

Number 3, nothing - if he mimed wiping his arse on a Liverpool shirt after beating the RS he'd be straight in at Number One With A Bullet for me...

 

[loooweee]

Sod it. I'm not gonna ever get too excited until the first PL game next season. Have a life, laugh at the transfer rumours and enjoy summer

 

[jazzy]

Interesting that Moshiri is referred to as Mr Moshiri by most posters. Its like the Lord of the Manor and his grateful serfs. Think he is great for the club by the way but we are all equals and not the sum of our bank accounts. That is a combination of ability and chance or sometimes just luck.

The man desreves respect unless / until he proves otherwise.

Hence it's Mr Moshiri and Kenwright and Martinez.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I can see why some people wanted Emery based on a very good European record but I would like to put forward the case for why Koeman was an overwhelming first choice.

What have Everton fans said we wanted in a manager?

1. An individual with a world class reputation that can attract players based on his standing in the game, something recent Everyon managers didn't possess.

Just look at his playing record

- 4 x Spanish League titles, Copa del Rey a European Cup and Super Cup with Barcelona

- 4 x Dutch League titles, multiple domestic cups and a European Cup at PSV and Ajax

- He was a key member of the European Championship winning Holland team, being seen as one of the teams key players alongside Gullit and Van Basten

He truly was a pick in any World XI team of the time. You heard the name Koeman and it meant class, a tough defender with a brilliant goalscoring record.

Add in as Manager

3 x League titles in Holland

1 x Copa del Rey in Spain

A clear winning mentality if ever there was one.

If you contrast this with a Klopp, no playing honours, two league titles as manager and 3 domestic cups.

As a player looking to sign for a club using the mangers standing in the game to help make a decision it is clear that Koeman can more than compete with the media darling and saviour of the game Klopp in every concievable way.

2. A tough self assured character who very much can be a disciplinarian when he needs to be. He has not accepted poor performances from key players like Tadic and Mane and has made a point of hauling them off and dropping them when their performances didn't meet his expectations. However as Morgan Schneiderlin said, he very much treats players as human beings and can most definitely do the arm around the shoulder when needed. An essential to develop a Barkley like character that clearly lacks self confidence or to deal with the temperamental characters. Could a manager that speaks Spanish do this anywhere near as effectively? If you were recruiting a manager for any company in England would you recruit one that doesn't speak a word of English and therefore can't directly communicate with his employees. Pochettino despite the myth could speak English fairly well with his players, he just chose to avoid using English with the media until he felt confident enough that any errors he made would not be turned against him. Emery by all accounts can't speak English with any degree of fluency.

3. He develops players within the squad. To quote Sean Long this week. “He’s been brilliant for me, you can see how much my game has come on and I hope he does stay,” He is now linked with Liverpool and Spurs, previously he had been seen as a half decent Premier League player plying his trade at lower ranking Premier league sides like Hull and West Brom.

4. He is tactically astute in the Premier league and has a proven track record against top Premiership teams. His sides are known to be defensively sound, possess a high tempo pressing style, can be direct when needed, yet are attractive on the eye. Tactics that work in Europe don't necessarily translate to Premier League success, so evidence of a managers tactical prowess in the Premier League is a huge plus.Just look at the fat Spanish Waiter, good in Europe but not in the Premier League. Add in other once hugely exciting young European managers, like Ramos and Villas-Boas, who failed to succeed in the Premier league then you start to see why an appointment of an Emery is a huge gamble.

5. Flexible enough to work with a Director of Football but can very much act as a traditional English manager. If the right candidate for DoF can't be sourced e.g. Monchi or Overmars then he will happily function with them. Can Emery exist without a high profile DoF?

6. Prioritises fitness - He will place a greater emphasis on fitness, an issue we've seen with the current squad. As Leicester proved fitness is essential to succeed in the Premier league. As we know from Martinez there is often an obsession in Europe with dedicating the vast majority of time to technical aspects of training.

7. Media savvy, a good communicator with an excellent grasp of English language. As far as I'm aware he has never used the word Phenomenal. As much as we all tired of Martinez and his media appearances would we really welcome hearing our manager speak through an interpreter, as would be the case with Emery. His dressing room team talks would face the same issues.

Excellent post

 

[LAToffee]

Absolutely. If Prevenger was here he could write a romantic epic about how every year they see sails on the horizon, one year a blue ship came took their village eoldorman.
Or something.

Get him back lad! Miss the gifs

 

[LAToffee]

Unai Emery would have sent a statement. A winner for the start of a new era.

Koeman doesn't. It's not a bad appointment; just a middle of the road, uninspiring one for many people.

Once again we've looked down or sideways for a new manager, instead of looking up - I think that's why there's a feeling of disappointment.

I reckon we may have made an offer to Emery and got knocked back. Hardly surprising. We now have a safe pair of hands with premier league experience, who can get us back on track. No, it's not Jose, but it's not Howe or Hughes or Moyes. Pelligrini is a spent force. All other realistic options were risky (De Boer; Favre). Get the deflation, but it's a fresh start. If he comes, let's get behind him for the season.

 

[EddyKent]

Southampton fans are still blowing up into narnia. It shows how much they rated him more than Pochettino.

Good times blues. Hopefully it's announced today.

 

[tonyhorne]

Southampton fans are still blowing up into narnia. It shows how much they rated him more than Pochettino.

Good times blues. Hopefully it's announced today.

Seems strange that an announcement is taking so long when it's all supposed to be agreed........

 

[JamesLaw]

Pochettino is easily the better manager
fans are just being fans. No doubt you lot have blown up when your current favourite at the time has jumped ship

you are getting a good manager but pochettino is better. In my opinion

 

[bizzaro]

Think it could be a good signing.

@chicoazul will be able to claim he's his doppelganger as he's got a head in a similar size range.

 

[JamesLaw]

Genuine question for you lot

Given that Ronald is more of a pragmatic manager (more aligned to moyes than a pochettino)

how will you feel if the style of football reflects that and you have an average showing in the cups and finish say 8th?
given the money you lot are about to spend.

will be harder next season with Pep, Mourinho, Liverpool not in europe arsenal and chelsea

West Ham will surely be in the top half and so will we (saints) if our next appointment is right

how would 8th place seem to you?

 

[joseph]

I heard this sort of talk 3 years ago.. People saying bobby would fail and again people were saying " think positive" if people do t rate him , or don't want him, how can they be positive? And what good does thinking positive do anyway? I think we have paid for a top top manager.... But are receiving an average one that has no loyalty to anyone but himself. He is raping is for wages while using us to try and get a better deal somewhere else. I don't want him, saying that ... My saints supporting mates think he's great but not as great as puchattino

I wouldn't compare this to the Martinez situation. Koeman has at least proven he can take an average side towards the top end of the table. People screaming for Emery when there is NO guarantee he would be a success. Last thing we need after that charlatan is another gamble. Why? Because he has an exotic name? 3 Europa cups-fair play, but our bread and butter is in the league and hopefully getting back in the Champions League. Anyway, a certain section of the support will never be happy. The guy hasnt even started the job, but let's get our kicks in early, hey?!

 

[degsy]

Thing is - Nobody knows
what went before does not effect what is coming...It might give you a hint, but until it happens??
Look at last season
(Thanks to E.J.Ruane on TW)
Last season Mourinho, a serial winner, couldn't buy a win even with a multi Billionaire - got sacked
Ranieri who got sacked for losing at home to The Faroes, wins the Premier League.
We
Just
Don't
Know.