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Rooney kissing the United badge..

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davek said:
Agreed, but no one wants to hear those things mate. They've got the whiff of blood in their nostrils and want a scapegoat for the whole stinking affair. Rooney kissing a badge gives them a nice easy way out of forgetting those complicated things. Kenwright must have been pissing himself laughing again.
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As much as I'm an Evertonian, I never closed my eyes for reality. I'm not holding any grudges against Rooney for choosing a career at Man Utd. At the time, he was without doubt the greatest prospect in Europe and Man Utd were and still are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

However, if I remember correctly, after a superb European Championship by Rooney, where he showed his true potential to the world, he came back to Everton and was handed a contract extension. He could have declined the offer there and then, but he decided to wait for a couple of weeks, before declining it. In doing so, he literally put Everton's back to the wall and in doing so, he gave Man utd the upper hand in the negotiations regarding his transfer. As anyone surely knows, contracts mean nothing anymore these days, and it's all about player power. If he had grown up a real blue, he would also have considered the benefits for Everton and not only his personal gain.

I'm not saying The Everton board should get out scratch free regarding this transfer, but I refuse to use Bill Kenwright as a scapegoat in this one, as I'm convinced he's is much more an Evertonian, than Rooney ever was or will be.

However, think it's time to move on. Forget about Rooney and concentrate on our current team. Wayne Rooney simply isn't worth the attention he's still getting from us, and I'd like to leave it at that.
 
Dutch Toffee said:
As much as I'm an Evertonian, I never closed my eyes for reality. I'm not holding any grudges against Rooney for choosing a career at Man Utd. At the time, he was without doubt the greatest prospect in Europe and Man Utd were and still are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

However, if I remember correctly, after a superb European Championship by Rooney, where he showed his true potential to the world, he came back to Everton and was handed a contract extension. He could have declined the offer there and then, but he decided to wait for a couple of weeks, before declining it. In doing so, he literally put Everton's back to the wall and in doing so, he gave Man utd the upper hand in the negotiations regarding his transfer. As anyone surely knows, contracts mean nothing anymore these days, and it's all about player power. If he had grown up a real blue, he would also have considered the benefits for Everton and not only his personal gain.

I'm not saying The Everton board should get out scratch free regarding this transfer, but I refuse to use Bill Kenwright as a scapegoat in this one, as I'm convinced he's is much more an Evertonian, than Rooney ever was or will be.

However, think it's time to move on. Forget about Rooney and concentrate on our current team. Wayne Rooney simply isn't worth the attention he's still getting from us, and I'd like to leave it at that.
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Agreed mate, its time to move on! The thing that annoyed me about the Rooney transfer was at the time we really didnt have a transfer fund and our squad was the smallest in living memory. The timing of his transfer request and the lateness of his eventual deal tied our hands in terms of spending the money we got for him, there was a real threat of getting relegated that season judgeing on our performence the year before, we finished with our lowest point total ever something like 36 and we were tonked by city on the last game of the season before. While after the first game of the season against Arsenal we all thought that was it.

The fact we ended up fourth isnt important, Rooney at the time didnt care if the club was relegated and he enginered his transfer in a way that was in every way to the detrimint of the club, remembering at this time our fans were protesting at every game, and Gregg and Kenwright were at each others throats.

I can never forgive him for that regardless of leaving or not, the snideness of the move and the possible impact it could have had on the club and the fact he couldnt care less despite being one of our own was the begining of what he has become a classless, selfish, petty and very sad man.

His heart isnt big enough to be a true Evertonian.
 
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Dutch Toffee said:
As much as I'm an Evertonian, I never closed my eyes for reality. I'm not holding any grudges against Rooney for choosing a career at Man Utd. At the time, he was without doubt the greatest prospect in Europe and Man Utd were and still are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

However, if I remember correctly, after a superb European Championship by Rooney, where he showed his true potential to the world, he came back to Everton and was handed a contract extension. He could have declined the offer there and then, but he decided to wait for a couple of weeks, before declining it. In doing so, he literally put Everton's back to the wall and in doing so, he gave Man utd the upper hand in the negotiations regarding his transfer. As anyone surely knows, contracts mean nothing anymore these days, and it's all about player power. If he had grown up a real blue, he would also have considered the benefits for Everton and not only his personal gain.

I'm not saying The Everton board should get out scratch free regarding this transfer, but I refuse to use Bill Kenwright as a scapegoat in this one, as I'm convinced he's is much more an Evertonian, than Rooney ever was or will be.

However, think it's time to move on. Forget about Rooney and concentrate on our current team. Wayne Rooney simply isn't worth the attention he's still getting from us, and I'd like to leave it at that.
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Do you really think the timing of that transfer request didn't suit the owners of Everton FC? The end of the transfer window allowed them to bank the money and pay off debts without having to worry about DM getting his hands on too much of it. And besides that ask yourself this question: why were we in a position where we had to wait on the sale of a player to go into the transfer market? That was great economic management. And while we're about it, Everton had the perfect right to keep hold of Rooney...BK told the world on SSN that he wasn't for sale even at £50M.

Here's the real argument for moving on: Wayne Rooney went to suit his own purposes; Bill Kenwright agreed to his sale for his own purposes; and the Rooney cash put more money into this club than anything else in the Kenwright era. We should call it quits on that basis and move on.
 
davek said:
Do you really think the timing of that transfer request didn't suit the owners of Everton FC? The end of the transfer window allowed them to bank the money and pay off debts without having to worry about DM getting his hands on too much of it. And besides that ask yourself this question: why were we in a position where we had to wait on the sale of a player to go into the transfer market? That was great economic management. And while we're about it, Everton had the perfect right to keep hold of Rooney...BK told the world on SSN that he wasn't for sale even at £50M.

Here's the real argument for moving on: Wayne Rooney went to suit his own purposes; Bill Kenwright agreed to his sale for his own purposes; and the Rooney cash put more money into this club than anything else in the Kenwright era. We should call it quits on that basis and move on.
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Sorry, don't agree to that one. If Rooney hadn't declined the contract offer Everton made to him, in the final week of the transferwindow and hadn't publicly come out and said he'd wanted to join Man Utd, we'd probably have gotten a transfersum much more in the region of that 50m. GBP.

However, he decided to decline the offer on table and expressed his desire to join Man Utd. Now as I said before, I don't hold that against him, but he for sure could have rejected the offer out of hand and so give his self confessed boyhood club a much stronger position in the transfer negotiatons

As said, I really believe the Rooney sale has been for the best for Everton in the end, but I'll never forgive Rooney for the way he forced his transfer through. I know BK said that Rooney wasn't for sale, but if a player comes out and makes it public, he definately wants to leave, than in 99% of all cases it will eventually happen.

Once again, I'm not saying BK should escape scratch free, but whatever anyone tries to tell me, Wayne Rooney remains the main culprit for me. Never, ever want to see him in our shirt again and I'd just like to leave it at that.
 

Dutch Toffee said:
Sorry, don't agree to that one. If Rooney hadn't declined the contract offer Everton made to him, in the final week of the transferwindow and hadn't publicly come out and said he'd wanted to join Man Utd, we'd probably have gotten a transfersum much more in the region of that 50m. GBP.
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Probably?

Theres no probably about it.
 
Dutch Toffee said:
Sorry, don't agree to that one. If Rooney hadn't declined the contract offer Everton made to him, in the final week of the transferwindow and hadn't publicly come out and said he'd wanted to join Man Utd, we'd probably have gotten a transfersum much more in the region of that 50m. GBP.

However, he decided to decline the offer on table and expressed his desire to join Man Utd. Now as I said before, I don't hold that against him, but he for sure could have rejected the offer out of hand and so give his self confessed boyhood club a much stronger position in the transfer negotiatons

As said, I really believe the Rooney sale has been for the best for Everton in the end, but I'll never forgive Rooney for the way he forced his transfer through. I know BK said that Rooney wasn't for sale, but if a player comes out and makes it public, he definately wants to leave, than in 99% of all cases it will eventually happen.

Once again, I'm not saying BK should escape scratch free, but whatever anyone tries to tell me, Wayne Rooney remains the main culprit for me. Never, ever want to see him in our shirt again and I'd just like to leave it at that.
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Sorry, but you say you dont think Kenwright was blameless in the Rooney sale? What did he do wrong then, because I'm struggling to find it in your responses.
 
woody3660 said:
I think theres more to the way he left to be honest. Forced to go perhaps? We had no money then either so was the 20 odd mil to much for the board to resist? Remember Gregg went not long after when he was paid back what he'd put in. Something just stank about the whole thing but thats another thread so I'll let it go for now.
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davek said:
Sorry, but you say you dont think Kenwright was blameless in the Rooney sale? What did he do wrong then, because I'm struggling to find it in your responses.
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Think it's in this post from Woody. Although I don't believe for a minute he was forced out of Everton. In the end it was Rooney's decision to leave and in the end the money generated from that sale may have come in handy for BK.

Whatever, it's pretty obvious we'll never come to an agreement on this issue, so just leave it at that. As I said before, it's time to move on and look at the current team and forget about Rooney, as for me, he simply isn't worth the attention he's still getting.
 
On a side note, the article posted earlier said he received a "torrent of abuse" from the home supporters.

I'll say that on TV it didn't sound that bad although I understand that TV doesn't catch everything either.
 

im just glad that it gets to him!

i mean he gets crap every away game and he just gets on with it!! but against us he knows deep down that he fooked up and its eating away at the bloke! (ok it will take a bloody long time to eat him) but i defo think it bothers him or he wouldnt go on so much in the papers and other media and he defo wouldnt have done that if it didnt bother him that he isnt playing in the royal blue!

and that the team is heading in the right direction with out him!!

i bet he thought the place would crumble with out him!!
 
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