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Ross Barkley

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And it's not the same as Mirallas playing out wide, or Deulofeu. They're the types of players who do all their good work in the final third, so the defenders don't particularly worry about marking them as such, but instead just stem the service to them. That's why Barks has struggled, as he was the only one in the team last year deemed capable of doing that without Pienaar or Osman in the side. If we get a playmaker in, who naturally drifts deep, then i'm confident Barks will have much more space.
 
Chang Elephant said:
Martinez needs to persist with him and get him going properly if we're going to do anything this season. Dross like Barry and Naismith will get us nowhere.
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I reckon Barry and Naismith should be as squad options, but probably not starters for most games. Definitely not worth Naismith getting game time over Barkley since Naismith isn't likely to improve where as Barkley could become amazing
 
Zatara said:
Agreed. Think he will be top class this season IF played in centre mid next to mccarthy.
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If McCarthy's role was to sit behind the midfield and in front of the defence, with Barkley and Besic/Cleverley in front of him we'd play much more flowing football. With a real playmaker behind Lukaku we'd be playing good football and Lukaku would score thousands of goals each week.
 

Deco said:
If McCarthy's role was to sit behind the midfield and in front of the defence, with Barkley and Besic/Cleverley in front of him we'd play much more flowing football. With a real playmaker behind Lukaku we'd be playing good football and Lukaku would score thousands of goals each week.
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I think that's been said about a thousand times. Unfortunately the only person who can't see this is Martimez.
 
Deco said:
It makes me laugh when people say certain players don't train hard enough or are lazy. The same myth has been applied to the likes of Usain Bolt where apparently he's not the best trainer.

To be at the top level you have to be crazily naturally talented, but you also need to work very hard as it's thin lines between being at Real Madrid and Reading (Drenthe).
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Haha. Bolt is black and dances on the start line, so he must be laid back and lazy ... journalists are fools.

Usain worked incredibly hard in 2008 and 2009 to achieve what he did. He put a bit of a stint in 2012 when he realised Blake was legit. The Jamaicans are up at 5am for their morning session cos it's too hot to train during the day. Then they're back at it in the evening. None of these guys slack.

Anyone questioning Ross Barkley's work ethic needs to think to when he was 16 and broke his leg. On the verge of making the first team and that happens. 99% of players just don't make it after that. Barkley's playing in the World Cup four years later.

When he recovered from that injury he was given a chance, played great, and was then ostracised by Moyes for his mistake v Blackburn and from what I've heard having a go at Moyes for not being played. He still grafted away, kept his head and did his time on loan.

With regards the whole nurture/nature debate. yes, you have to be a hard worker and extremely disciplined to be at the top. But talent trumps all.

I've represented my country at international level, I've worked my arse off training 4 hours a day, 6 days a week for years. I've made decent money from that sport and traveled all over Europe doing it.

And every year there's a 16 year old kid somewhere, doing a couple of sessions a week after sitting in school all day eating crisps and chocolate, not doing a proper warm up or any weights or technical training, and they'll run faster than me, and I'm no mope.

You don't get anywhere in sport without talent. Ok, Phil Neville looked like a yard dog in the premier league, but on the school yard he would've been Cruyff
 
Chang Elephant said:
Martinez needs to persist with him and get him going properly if we're going to do anything this season. Dross like Barry and Naismith will get us nowhere.
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Precisely. So he should have been in the starting line up today. Why on earth leave him out when everyone knows he's got to strike up some sort of rhythm in his play and giving him 45 minutes won't help?
 
Vaughan said:
Haha. Bolt is black and dances on the start line, so he must be laid back and lazy ... journalists are fools.

Usain worked incredibly hard in 2008 and 2009 to achieve what he did. He put a bit of a stint in 2012 when he realised Blake was legit. The Jamaicans are up at 5am for their morning session cos it's too hot to train during the day. Then they're back at it in the evening. None of these guys slack.

Anyone questioning Ross Barkley's work ethic needs to think to when he was 16 and broke his leg. On the verge of making the first team and that happens. 99% of players just don't make it after that. Barkley's playing in the World Cup four years later.

When he recovered from that injury he was given a chance, played great, and was then ostracised by Moyes for his mistake v Blackburn and from what I've heard having a go at Moyes for not being played. He still grafted away, kept his head and did his time on loan.

With regards the whole nurture/nature debate. yes, you have to be a hard worker and extremely disciplined to be at the top. But talent trumps all.

I've represented my country at international level, I've worked my arse off training 4 hours a day, 6 days a week for years. I've made decent money from that sport and traveled all over Europe doing it.

And every year there's a 16 year old kid somewhere, doing a couple of sessions a week after sitting in school all day eating crisps and chocolate, not doing a proper warm up or any weights or technical training, and they'll run faster than me, and I'm no mope.

You don't get anywhere in sport without talent. Ok, Phil Neville looked like a yard dog in the premier league, but on the school yard he would've been Cruyff
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Hard work can take you so far, talent can take you so far, it is when you have talent and hard work together you get something special.

In my book a talent and a work ethic are both required.
 

Vaughan said:
Haha. Bolt is black and dances on the start line, so he must be laid back and lazy ... journalists are fools.

Usain worked incredibly hard in 2008 and 2009 to achieve what he did. He put a bit of a stint in 2012 when he realised Blake was legit. The Jamaicans are up at 5am for their morning session cos it's too hot to train during the day. Then they're back at it in the evening. None of these guys slack.

Anyone questioning Ross Barkley's work ethic needs to think to when he was 16 and broke his leg. On the verge of making the first team and that happens. 99% of players just don't make it after that. Barkley's playing in the World Cup four years later.

When he recovered from that injury he was given a chance, played great, and was then ostracised by Moyes for his mistake v Blackburn and from what I've heard having a go at Moyes for not being played. He still grafted away, kept his head and did his time on loan.

With regards the whole nurture/nature debate. yes, you have to be a hard worker and extremely disciplined to be at the top. But talent trumps all.

I've represented my country at international level, I've worked my arse off training 4 hours a day, 6 days a week for years. I've made decent money from that sport and traveled all over Europe doing it.

And every year there's a 16 year old kid somewhere, doing a couple of sessions a week after sitting in school all day eating crisps and chocolate, not doing a proper warm up or any weights or technical training, and they'll run faster than me, and I'm no mope.

You don't get anywhere in sport without talent. Ok, Phil Neville looked like a yard dog in the premier league, but on the school yard he would've been Cruyff
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Barkley's injury and progression since shows that he can continue to get better and better.

It's on him now
 
Barkley is one of the reasons our play is so pedestrian. Gets the ball, does a step over, a drop of the shoulder, and then looks to play the pass he should have 3 seconds earlier.

Barry, McCarthy and Cleverly all lack urgency in posession too.
 
Yesterday summed up a lot about Barkley for me. He got the ball from the kick off dribbled and was crowded out passed it back. Inother words got nowhere. He did another dribble/step over lost the ball and did it again and lost the ball. Barkley then decided to just keep it simple look for the ball, pass and move and he looked a different player. To get the best out of himself he needs to develop a football brain, not an easy thing to do. He has all the talent in the world but gets let down by making the wrong choices/decisions and will only learn, how to make better use of his talents, by being on the pitch, warts and all.

Edit. Barkley is under probably more pressure to succeed than most.
 
All I've heard of Barkley is he is a good trainer and a down to earth kid who works hard.

He didn't have a great year last year, but that was after a World Cup, an injury the day before the start of the season, then coming back to into a team playing poor. He looked like he was trying too hard, trying to do too much, his form dipped, then people got on his back and then it got worse.

It not an easy position he's playing, a fast paced league where he's closed down very quickly because teams know he's a threat. Usually the best players in this position are older and more experienced. I think he should still be played in that position as he could be great there, more experience to make better decisions and learn not to do everything himself. Yesterday again showed how effective he can be.
 

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