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Never said he wasn't.
Dunno who's saying he was rubbish. I said he was lazy.... Apparently he wasn't and I'm the only one who thought he was
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Never said he wasn't.
Dunno who's saying he was rubbish. I said he was lazy.... Apparently he wasn't and I'm the only one who thought he was
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He said so in his autobiography.
And I'm not saying you have to run around like a headless chicken etc. I used him as an example in terms of a certain style. And if you expect Moyes to play Barkley in that style, then you've more faith in that than I have.
I'm not sure if the scrappy rough championship is for him as you said once it became this it wasn't for him, I think he's alot more use to pass to feet and move but he does seem to have settled now, ok he gave the ball away a few times but who doesn't its still quite clear to see he's on a different level.
Someone asked abit tracking back, I can't say this is the strongest part of the game from what I've seen but then again we have semedo for that so not sure how deep he has been asked to drop, his fitness looks as if it still needs abit more come 70 mins of a game he's seems to slow down alot.
We started the season really well and then took a massive slump, we have alot of new players so its to be expected that its going to take time, I thought we looked pretty solid last night not brilliant but for our recent form vs a decent side who could have gone 3rd in the table it looked a step up from recent performances.
I actually signed up when the rumours first started about ross, I was praying for us to get him and it happened, I just hope that 1, we keep him a little longer 2, people keep faith in Dave Jones cause im not sure many other managers we could bring in could fetch players like this in...
But thanks, I have always been a mini everton fan, proper run club nice players and a great manager
None of the above states he was lazy, merely languid - a difference you can't seem to get your head around. No wasted movement, intelligent movement into space etc.
Again, not lazy on the pitch, his cardio was enough to sustain his style. You really, really are confused over the difference between lazy and languid. Hopelessly confused. He had NO fitness issues at all throughout his entire career.
Wrong.
But although the England national side never warmed to his particular talents, others did and Le Tissier has recounted in the past how none other than Michel Platini - one of the great all-time playmakers - tried to recruit him for France. The surname clearly confused Les Bleus though, as Le Tissier had no French heritage and was not eligible for the country. C'est La Vie.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=674952&sec=england&root=england&cc=5739
^ Name them. I also assume Cantona, Bergkamp, Vialla, Zola, Totti, Del Piero etc. etc. etc. are lazy too?
As I said earlier, the sole reason he didn't move clubs is because of his wife. It was not because he had any detractors about his talent or effectiveness on the pitch. You're completely, 100% incorrect.
What agenda? You said Le Tissier was "lazy", I'm pulling you up on that, because he wasn't - he was one of the greatest footballers of his generation. So what other agenda do I have?
Again, nonsense, unsubstantiated opinion. Being a focal point of at team isn't the same as a luxury player. Is Messi a luxury player? Ronaldo? Rooney? Platini? Zidane? No! So why is Le Tissier any different? Just because he played for Southampton, which seems to have bizarrely clouded your football judgement?
He didn't play for England because you couldn't play Gazza and Le Tissier in the same team and Gazza was sensational.
You called him a "YouTube" player who turned up once in a blue moon and was lazy. Those were your words. So despite trying to make out like you think he's a "cracking" player and "never doubted his ability", you're clearly backtracking.
You're simply wrong. Pretty much 100% wrong.
Platini was a huge anglophile bizarely. He rated le tissier, hoddle, waddle etc above the french midfielders at the time.
chrismanduk
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Not read his book so will take your word as right.
I haven't stated how Barkley will be played,just mentioned that i think he will be a good player, it is a Barkley thread after all.
You haven't changed my opinion btw,still think le tiss was a great footballer.
Le Tissier played to whatever level he thought would win games, that is all...Wayne does it a lot now.
HibboScoresWeRiot
Player Valuation: £500k
Is this why he hates the english so much? Because we wouldn't give France our midfielders?
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There's a quote from the man himself that I put up where he admitted he was not as fit than most of the people he played with and didn't like running!
"Having been born in Guernsey, you could have played for any of the home nations, or even France. Did you ever consider shunning England – especially for Les Bleus?! Danny Decarlo, via email
Firstly, the France thing was a load of rubbish. I wasn't qualified to play for France, even though my dad received some phonecalls from Gerard Houllier in the early '90s. The French FA thought I might be able to play for them and Houllier was ringing my dad to ask him to try and persuade me, but I didn't have any French relatives so it was a non-starter. All I wanted to do growing up was to play for England, so no other country ever crossed my mind."
"You won only eight caps, which is a scandal. Which do you think hampered your chances of playing for England more: playing for the Saints or the type of player you were? Matt Rumble, via Facebook My reputation for being lazy hampered me more than staying at Southampton. It was during my best spell, under Bally, that I was dropped from Terry Venables' squad, so that was frustrating. I think maybe England managers weren't brave enough to change their formation to accommodate me."
"You netted a hat-trick in an England B game vs Russia that was seen as a final eliminator for the France 98 squad. What were your feelings after that game? How disappointed were you to miss out on the World Cup? Liam Smith, via fourfourtwo.com What I thought I had done was to make Glenn's initial squad of 30. When I didn't make that, it knocked the stuffing out of me. I really thought I'd played well enough against Russia under pressure to have made it, and then maybe give myself a chance to impress enough to make the final cut. But Glenn picked Gazza for the 30, so I thought he must prefer him to me; Gazza's who he wants as his creative player. When he then dropped Gazza, I couldn't believe it. I was madder than when Glenn left me out, because I thought Gazza was the reason I didn't go."
And backtracking? Where did I say he was a terrible player? I labelled him lazy player, a YouTube player because he drifted for 90minutes. You'd get 30 minutes of him involved in a game where he would shine. The rest of the game, he'd be quiet. All the players you've mentioned are all active for 90 minutes .
And the wife thing is only linked to the Spurs move, he's never given a reason to why he turned Chelsea down.
But yeah, I'm 100% wrong for having a difference of opinion.
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And I haven't said anything different. It's Tubey making it out that I've ripped Le Tiss a new one when all is said was that he was lazy with low work rate that put the bigger clubs off from buying him.
steken1
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The man himself jokes about it every saturday on the tele. He knew his game had **** all to do with closing down and working channels and all that ****e so he never got asked to and never bothered.
Of course he was lazy, but it suited his game to be. He werent fit enough to tear-arse round the pitch for 90mins and if he did he'd be ineffective up front where he could hurt teams.
If Ross shows a lack of defensive discipline over the next few years but also shows enough talent for it to be worth our while carrying him, I'm sure we will.
All this writing him off ****e is an absolute joke. If he spends the whole season in the championship it'd be far too soon to make a judgement.
Most very good players don't start making an impact at PL level on a regular basis until 20-21 minimum.
Of course he was lazy, but it suited his game to be. He werent fit enough to tear-arse round the pitch for 90mins and if he did he'd be ineffective up front where he could hurt teams.
If Ross shows a lack of defensive discipline over the next few years but also shows enough talent for it to be worth our while carrying him, I'm sure we will.
All this writing him off ****e is an absolute joke. If he spends the whole season in the championship it'd be far too soon to make a judgement.
Most very good players don't start making an impact at PL level on a regular basis until 20-21 minimum.
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