WHY ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT HOW GOOD LE TISSIER WAS IN A ROSS BARKLEY THREAD LADS ?
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Ask Tubey.
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Which clearly said - "Le Tiss was uber gash and my opinion superceded every one else's"
Right?
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I didn't turn it into anything mate - you called Le Tissier "lazy" which shows such a massive lack of understanding about football that I just had to laugh at itSo I just can't really take anything you say seriously now
If someone came on here and said Messi isn't as good as Osman, you'd laugh at them too - and what you said is that sort of level of stupid.
Yeah it was one of those performances where you could see all the good and bad over 90 minutes. There was a stage where he gave the ball away in an advanced position and left the counter attack on, but there were two or three occasions where he pulled off a bit of magic and his distribution was top quality.
Sometimes he missed the simple pass and goes for the spectacular but that's both due to his age and enthusiasm and because those around him clearly aren't on the same wavelength. The test I had in my mind was "does he look like a kid playing with men here?" and, by and large, you couldn't say he was an 18 year old playing the hardest position in football in a local derby, which is all I needed to know to reaffirm his potential.
He's going to be some player, he really is!
Because he was. He labelled it at the time, he'd drift in and out of games, he was slow, he had weight issues...
This is what was said about him at the time. I'm not the one with that opinion about him. It's what put other managers off from buying him, why England managers didn't pick him.
Sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda, but to start rubbishing an opinion that has a point and support to back it up, just makes you look silly which is probably why you headed for a ban not too long ago.
If you don't agree, don't agree. But to look down on other posters because of it makes you look like a massive nob I'm afraid
Hi Guys,
i've been impressed with him so far, took a while to get going but his touch/vision and passing are a class above at times, as some have said half the time I think he's thinking alot quicker than most of our average players.
Him corry and Mccabe could be a real force in midfield for this division they could just do with getting some game time now, I hope it gets extended would be a shame to lose him now if you guys aren't going to play him, I have no doubt he's going to be a top player one day...
i've been impressed with him so far, took a while to get going but his touch/vision and passing are a class above at times, as some have said half the time I think he's thinking alot quicker than most of our average players.
Him corry and Mccabe could be a real force in midfield for this division they could just do with getting some game time now, I hope it gets extended would be a shame to lose him now if you guys aren't going to play him, I have no doubt he's going to be a top player one day...
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Player Valuation: £70m
Oh look, wrong again
It seems you're making a bit of a habit of that. Given you have no idea as to why I WAS actually banned a while ago, but nevermind that.Look, you're talking crap. You say no club wanted to "take a chance on him", but he turned down moves to AC Milan, Spurs, Chelsea and quite possibly Man Utd - the first three are substantiated, the fourth very widely believed - AND Platini, one of the all time greats, badly wanted him to play for France and thought he could play based solely on his surname!
The guy who left him out of the England squad was also the same guy who thought Eileen Drewery was a great idea. As far as I'm aware, you won't be able to find one quote about "what put managers off buying him" so you can't back that up at all - the fact is he had top clubs from Italy, Spain and England looking at him seriously but he wouldn't leave Guernsey because of his wife, so in the end clubs stopped trying - he even ripped up a contract at Tottenham moments before signing for that reason.
He had weight issues? He played 14 consecutive seasons almost every game, often having the sh*t kicked out of him for 90 minutes. His cardio held up, most of his best work was in latter stages of the game.
He was slow? Who cares, he had a footballing brain and drifted into space effortlessly. He didn't need to run around like Theo Walcott, who is the total opposite - no football brain at all, headless chicken, diving into space and then thumping the ball wherever he thinks someone might be.
But the number one stupid point you're making is that he was "lazy", which makes me believe you simply don't know anything about football, or at the very least that you never saw him play. He intelligently moved into space in attacking areas, no wasted movement, finding areas for his team mates to find him and then having the nous to pick out his teammates or spot the opportunity to take a snap shot on goal. Or he'd casually dance past five defenders and pick out a pass or put it in the corner.
He never ever shirked away from a game - he always requested the ball. Southampton as a team unit may have been not at the races on many occasions but Le Tissier was the one player who always tried to make it work.
You call him a luxury player, yet he played over a decade at a club that he single handedly kept in the division time and time again. The first midfielder to hit 100 goals in the Premier League and also score 30 goals in a single season.
You called him a "YouTube player" FFS... A "YouTube player"! How does that "point" have "support to back it up"? You've backed nothing up - you've just made repeated terrible assertions about one of the most gifted English midfielders the Premier League ever saw/
I'm going to make no apologies for pointing out just how wrong what you're saying it, and if that makes me look like a "massive nob" then so be it.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Thanks for coming on mate, good to get an opinion from someone who's seen a good bit of him.
I was at a party last night and the game was on but I couldn't really give it my undivided attention. From what I saw Your lads played a bit of decent football, especially first half, but were lackin badly up front.
Ross looked quite comfortable with your players when the game was on the floor. Once Leeds ****bag midfield turned the game into a scrap he looked a bit lost, like a few of your lads TBH.
Think you've got a decent side though and I reckon you'll climb the league a bit once your players get used to the championship.
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Oh look, wrong again
Look, you're talking crap. You say no club wanted to "take a chance on him", but he turned down moves to AC Milan, Spurs, Chelsea and quite possibly Man Utd - the first three are substantiated, the fourth very widely believed - AND Platini, one of the all time greats, badly wanted him to play for France and thought he could play based solely on his surname!
The guy who left him out of the England squad was also the same guy who thought Eileen Drewery was a great idea. As far as I'm aware, you won't be able to find one quote about "what put managers off buying him" so you can't back that up at all - the fact is he had top clubs from Italy, Spain and England looking at him seriously but he wouldn't leave Guernsey because of his wife, so in the end clubs stopped trying - he even ripped up a contract at Tottenham moments before signing for that reason.
He had weight issues? He played 14 consecutive seasons almost every game, often having the sh*t kicked out of him for 90 minutes. His cardio held up, most of his best work was in latter stages of the game.
He was slow? Who cares, he had a footballing brain and drifted into space effortlessly. He didn't need to run around like Theo Walcott, who is the total opposite - no football brain at all, headless chicken, diving into space and then thumping the ball wherever he thinks someone might be.
But the number one stupid point you're making is that he was "lazy", which makes me believe you simply don't know anything about football, or at the very least that you never saw him play. He intelligently moved into space in attacking areas, no wasted movement, finding areas for his team mates to find him and then having the nous to pick out his teammates or spot the opportunity to take a snap shot on goal. Or he'd casually dance past five defenders and pick out a pass or put it in the corner.
He never ever shirked away from a game - he always requested the ball. Southampton as a team unit may have been not at the races on many occasions but Le Tissier was the one player who always tried to make it work.
You call him a luxury player, yet he played over a decade at a club that he single handedly kept in the division time and time again. The first midfielder to hit 100 goals in the Premier League and also score 30 goals in a single season.
You called him a "YouTube player" FFS... A "YouTube player"! How does that "point" have "support to back it up"? You've backed nothing up - you've just made repeated terrible assertions about one of the most gifted English midfielders the Premier League ever saw/
I'm going to make no apologies for pointing out just how wrong what you're saying it, and if that makes me look like a "massive nob" then so be it.
"Le Tissier enjoyed a 16-year stint at Saints, spent largely wandering around conserving energy, while occasionally wafting an insouciant boot at a ball which would invariably screech along an aesthetically pleasing and often mathematically dubious arc towards the net"*http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/apr/13/joy-of-six-le-tissier-finney?cat=sport&type=article
"Much was made of your fitness. How would you have coped in today's game? Would you have had to work on your fitness more – and would you have been willing to? Terry Eason Tadworth*
Yes and yes. If being fitter was what was needed to get me to be able to play football, I'd have done it. Basically, I didn't enjoy fitness. I'd train all day if there was a ball involved, but on pre-season you just ran for two weeks, and that bored the s*** out of me. I knew I should have worked on my fitness more, but I also knew I had the ability to change games without being as fit as the other players on the pitch."
http://fourfourtwo.com/interviews/one-on-one/378/article.aspx
http://theredsamurai.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/my-favourite-players-matt-le-tissier/
http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/02/19/matt-le-tissier-the-best-player-england-never-had/
And it was Houiler who wanted to see if he could play for France, not Platini.*
Like I say, never doubted his ability, but I'm not the only one who said he was lazy though out his career... So if I'm wrong in that opinion, coaches, managers, etc who had the same view are wrong also.*
And I watched him for years, grew up watching him. Cracking player. But there were detractors with him when you saw him for 90minutes, he drift in and out of games at times. To blindly dismiss them with other excuses is your*agenda.
As for the luxury quote... For Saints, no, he was a vital player. For every other clubs looking for a 20 goal a season midfielder, he was a luxury player because of his work rate. He even says England would've had to change their style to accommodate have.
Not taking sides, as I havent read the latest posts, but Le Tiss was a superb player.
chrismanduk
Player Valuation: £2.5m
How on earth do you know only two clubs came in for him?
Think only le tiss his agent and club know that.
I reiterate my point that he was a top top player who only looked lazy because he had sooo much ability he made it look easy.
Far rather a quality footballer like him than somebody like straq who runs around like a headless chicken achieving very little.
Btw also think Barkley is gonna be a good player when he grows into a real adult.
Winci
Player Valuation: £950k
First of all I havent seen him play for SWFC, but from what you have describe I think the problem with Barkley is management. Everton anf SWFC are trying to turn him into somethis he is not, he is an ACM not a CM and much less a DCM.
Yes, every player have some type of defensive responsabilit, but obviously one cant judge the same way a defensive player and an attacking player.
IMO he should be given the freedom to express himself on the pitch, let him try some tricks and flicks and let him learn when to stay simple. As long as those passes are accurate and he rushes a defensive player off the ball every now and then, he should be ok.
Yes, every player have some type of defensive responsabilit, but obviously one cant judge the same way a defensive player and an attacking player.
IMO he should be given the freedom to express himself on the pitch, let him try some tricks and flicks and let him learn when to stay simple. As long as those passes are accurate and he rushes a defensive player off the ball every now and then, he should be ok.
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