Ross Barkley

[Furey1878]

Let's have it right though, the conversation's a bit pointless, he's going nowhere this summer.

*pre-orders Man City shirt printed with Barkley #66

 

[Zatara]

People need their heads testing if they think martinez would sell barkley. Hes trying to build a winning team.

Man City are a team of mercenaries, I think Martinez wants to trump them and Chelsea with a team of loyal players and sees that as a challenge.

 

[Billy Dean]

People need their heads testing if they think martinez would sell barkley. Hes trying to build a winning team.

Man City are a team of mercenaries, I think Martinez wants to trump them and Chelsea with a team of loyal players and sees that as a challenge.

Agreed. I think there's no way Ross will go this summer. We are currently the best place for him to develop. He's with a great manager who will nurture him. We'll have to face up to losing him at some point but I don't think that'll be for another couple of years at least. And when we do it'll be for Bale money as you say.

 

[marty mcfly]

People need their heads testing if they think martinez would sell barkley. Hes trying to build a winning team.

Man City are a team of mercenaries, I think Martinez wants to trump them and Chelsea with a team of loyal players and sees that as a challenge.

It will be down to Ross, if he wants to go then Everton will need probably sell him but they'll hold out until the last moment to get the highest price. If that price isn't met then he'll probably go in January unless we're doing extremely well and he has a change of mind.

The fact he hasn't signed worries the hell out of me and should you too. We're talking about a contract that was close to being signed almost a year ago but still hasn't. Something is not right.

My guess is that he wants 100K a week and Kenwright is only offering about 50K.

 

[Billy Dean]

Oh god, don't remind me of that horrid window...

Haha sorry mate.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Would be a bad move for Ross.

I don't think he'd start enough for them to really be great for his development. Going to City this summer could ruin him. Hopefully he realizes that Everton is the best place for his growth and development at least for the next 2-3 years. Then if we fail to kick on he can start fluttering his eyelashes at the Man City's and Real Madrid's of the world.

 

[Tubey]

Bidding wars don't happen mate. I'm talking about Everton's valuation, and believe me just like any player at any club, Everton will have one. If you're suggesting they value him at 60 million pounds already I think that's a little steep. Realistically somewhere around 40/45 million pounds, possible with a player thrown in to sweeten the deal.

I guess the problem from Everton's point of view is that if City come bidding they won't bid blind, they'll only bid if they have had some assurance from the player or his reps that he wants the move. Everton will know this too, so if that day arrives, they'll have to do the deal. Certainly based on his current contract because as I say otherwise he goes cheap next summer.

I want to be super respectful of you guys as a supporter base and as a forum so don't think i'm arguing it's happening or City are definitely going to sign him. I'm just looking at it from all angles because I really love the player. Funny you mention Messi, I said to a friend this morning that after Messi Barkley is the only player in the world I'd want City to sign right now.

Then you won't get him. Simple as that really.

Not being biased in the slightest either - I know every player has his price but, honestly, the price for Barkley given his long term importance to the club and the absolute fact we have no reason to sell a la Rooney means that you don't have a prayer of getting him for under £50m and realistically it'd take something Suarez or even Bale-esque to force our hand.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Then you won't get him. Simple as that really.

Not being biased in the slightest either - I know every player has his price but, honestly, the price for Barkley given his long term importance to the club and the absolute fact we have no reason to sell a la Rooney means that you don't have a prayer of getting him for under £50m and realistically it'd take something Suarez or even Bale-esque to force our hand.

Alternatively:

 

[The Other Blues]

Then you won't get him. Simple as that really.

Not being biased in the slightest either - I know every player has his price but, honestly, the price for Barkley given his long term importance to the club and the absolute fact we have no reason to sell a la Rooney means that you don't have a prayer of getting him for under £50m and realistically it'd take something Suarez or even Bale-esque to force our hand.

When you say you have absolutely no reason to sell, that's not strictly speaking true though is it because it's based on the premise you think he'll sign a new contract. If he doesn't then you'll have every need to sell otherwise next summer he'll walk for cheap, or the summer after for free.

Also look at the valuations being placed on Pogba and Vidal (both around 50 million pounds). That shows the market value for two players who are playing a similar position to Ross and also who are proven over a longer period of time at a much higher level.

I'm not trying to make the case that Everton will sell him, or that he won't sign a contract btw. I'm here in somewhat blind hope backed up by as I said earlier the noises coming out of City that Barkley is the player they want.

 

[The Other Blues]

Would be a bad move for Ross.

I don't think he'd start enough for them to really be great for his development. Going to City this summer could ruin him. Hopefully he realizes that Everton is the best place for his growth and development at least for the next 2-3 years. Then if we fail to kick on he can start fluttering his eyelashes at the Man City's and Real Madrid's of the world.

You make a very good point but honestly IF City are in for him, it will be with assurances that we are making room for him to play week in and week out. The rumours are that we are prepared to sell a forward (Negredo) and a midfield player (Garcia), and switch from playing primarily 442 to 433 to accommodate him.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I'd like it if Ross could sign a 2-3 year extention on his contract, just in case he does decide to leave next season

 

[RaleighBlue]

When you say you have absolutely no reason to sell, that's not strictly speaking true though is it because it's based on the premise you think he'll sign a new contract. If he doesn't then you'll have every need to sell otherwise next summer he'll walk for cheap, or the summer after for free.

Also look at the valuations being placed on Pogba and Vidal (both around 50 million pounds). That shows the market value for two players who are playing a similar position to Ross and also who are proven over a longer period of time at a much higher level.

I'm not trying to make the case that Everton will sell him, or that he won't sign a contract btw. I'm here in somewhat blind hope backed up by as I said earlier the noises coming out of City that Barkley is the player they want.

We overvalue Ross.

He's our local diamond. He could be something truly special. And he could be our ticket into breaking into the top tier and regular CL appearances and the money for a new stadium etc.

Ross is worth a whole hell of a lot more to Everton F.C. than he is as a footballer. That said, of course you're right. If Ross doesn't want that. If he wants to go to City or Chelsea or what have you, then we must sell. If we risk him walking on a free or getting £45 million + a player then it's no choice at all.

The hope is that because he is blue, and grew up blue, he is willing to forgo the quick pay day for a few years and try and achieve with his boyhood club at a discount. If he's willing to do that, then we should not sell for any amount of money...and I think I mean any amount - the club should show loyalty to players that show loyalty.

 

[RaleighBlue]

You make a very good point but honestly IF City are in for him, it will be with assurances that we are making room for him to play week in and week out. The rumours are that we are prepared to sell a forward (Negredo) and a midfield player (Garcia), and switch from playing primarily 442 to 433 to accommodate him.

Honestly, given City's spending power. I think it would be a bad move for City to accommodate Ross in that sense. He's a brilliant player, but he's still learning and developing. City can buy finished products or at least players that are further along.

Is the need for homegrown players that great with the smaller squad size?

 

[Baines' left foot]

We overvalue Ross.

He's our local diamond. He could be something truly special. And he could be our ticket into breaking into the top tier and regular CL appearances and the money for a new stadium etc.

Ross is worth a whole hell of a lot more to Everton F.C. than he is as a footballer. That said, of course you're right. If Ross doesn't want that. If he wants to go to City or Chelsea or what have you, then we must sell. If we risk him walking on a free or getting £45 million + a player then it's no choice at all.

The hope is that because he is blue, and grew up blue, he is willing to forgo the quick pay day for a few years and try and achieve with his boyhood club at a discount. If he's willing to do that, then we should not sell for any amount of money...and I think I mean any amount - the club should show loyalty to players that show loyalty.

I don't think this is the case tbh. I agree with the rest of your post though.

Pretty much everyone at Everton is expecting Barkley to become one of the very best players in the world. He just has everything and in a few seasons he will be a superstar. So if he was to be sold then the price tag needs to reflect that. If Pogba is being touted for £60m-£70m then Barkley should be similar. I know Pogba has performed at a higher level but it was only the season before last that he was struggling to get in to Juve's first team (IIRC).

£50m+ easily. He's going to be like Zidane on speed.

 

[The Other Blues]

We overvalue Ross.

He's our local diamond. He could be something truly special. And he could be our ticket into breaking into the top tier and regular CL appearances and the money for a new stadium etc.

Ross is worth a whole hell of a lot more to Everton F.C. than he is as a footballer. That said, of course you're right. If Ross doesn't want that. If he wants to go to City or Chelsea or what have you, then we must sell. If we risk him walking on a free or getting £45 million + a player then it's no choice at all.

The hope is that because he is blue, and grew up blue, he is willing to forgo the quick pay day for a few years and try and achieve with his boyhood club at a discount. If he's willing to do that, then we should not sell for any amount of money...and I think I mean any amount - the club should show loyalty to players that show loyalty.

Cracking post and one I agree with wholeheartedly. I think Ross is your ticket into challenging the top 4 not due to his ability because lets face it, no one player can make that kind of difference otherwise Spurs would've finished in the top 4 when Bale was bagging 20+ goals a season as a winger, but because it will help keep your best players and help sign other top players.

This is a genuine question, why do you think that he hasn't signed new terms when Coleman, Baines, even Martinez have? It's probably the one thing in all of this which has got me intrigued or should I say hopeful.