Ross Barkley

[BigBlueConk]

I'd keep Ross.

 

[bluebrotha77]

It isn't mate

Call me a hipster, but I've been using that word to describe a dinked penalty for much longer than a year

This video on YouTube was uploaded 4 years ago, entitled "Best Panenka penalties ever"

Bit disappointed johnny stones v juventus wasnt in thereclass when they go right but look so bad when they go wrong like one of the ones in the clip.

 

[Ashtonian]

I think we can find a better upgrade to McCarthy if we want to tackle the top 4 mate. Just my opinion.

Ive always liked Mccarthy on the defensive side, especially being able to get back and tackle which Barry isn't quick enough to do.

And i mustn't be the only one not expecting how besic was going forward so that was a pleasant surpise as well.

I do agree a better central mid player is probably needed in that respect, but i want a big tough tackling player in the viera mould. someone who doesn't pull out of challenges and the other team fear.

 

[bluebrotha77]

Ross just needs to work a small bit more on the defensive side of things an he will be alright.

 

[kithnou]

Ive always liked Mccarthy on the defensive side, especially being able to get back and tackle which Barry isn't quick enough to do.

And i mustn't be the only one not expecting how besic was going forward so that was a pleasant surpise as well.

I do agree a better central mid player is probably needed in that respect, but i want a big tough tackling player in the viera mould. someone who doesn't pull out of challenges and the other team fear.

And also offered plenty going forward which is my concern with McCarthy who offers little.

But back on topic, this is about Barkley...

 

[BlueToff]

And also offered plenty going forward which is my concern with McCarthy who offers little.

But back on topic, this is about Barkley...

Yep a discussion for the McCarthy thread, though there's a few examples of McCarthy making an impact going forward this season alone, and it really isn't his job mate.

He's better at sitting and breaking up play and playing that quick pass into the feet of Barkley, who then has the space and freedom (knowing that we have disciplined players behind him) to express his ability and drive forward to the opposition.

Barkley has a lot more impact when McCarthy is in the team.

 

[kithnou]

Yep a discussion for the McCarthy thread, though there's a few examples of McCarthy making an impact going forward this season alone, and it really isn't his job mate.

He's better at sitting and breaking up play and playing that quick pass into the feet of Barkley, who then has the space and freedom (knowing that we have disciplined players behind him) to express his ability and drive forward to the opposition.

Barkley has a lot more impact when McCarthy is in the team.

I guess i could handle McCarthy with no Barry. Barkley next captain campaign could be on the cards from me in the Summer

 

[MikeH72]

Didn't Barkley have a broken leg at that ages

He broke his leg at 17 mate

 

[royalblue66]

Full page spread about Ross in the Daily Fibber. Picture of him in Everton strip,wouldn't the R/s just love to have him,well he's ours,so they will have to get used to it,and he is going to haunt them over the coming years,like Slippy used to haunt us, and there are some people on here ripping him to shreds,Ross Barkley Evertonian,AV it.

 

[EFC78]

Please stop this. I normally think your posts are spot on and up there with @Joey66 and @davek on here but here you're verging on real whopperism. This cult of Barkley is embarrassing.

First of all there's a massive difference between those fans as you call them that "slate" Barkley and those that simply don't think he's the Scouse Messi and walks on water. I've seen few, if any, of the former. I've not read any on here and nor have I seen or heard real critics at the match.

I think a lot of the negative noises that do sometimes surround Barkley at the match are groans of frustration and/or disappointment rather than anything else. Yes there's probably the old fella a few rows behind that says he is s#### when he fails to pull off a clever pass or loses possession too easily. But that's more a lack of vocabulary than anything else. That man probably doesn't really think he's s#### he just can't articulate anything better in the heat of the moment. Fans watching on TV or hearing the game on the radio perhaps don't sometimes remember the passion of seeing it live. If Barkley is driving forward on a 50 yard run through the middle of the park and holding off two opposition players in the process I'm on the edge of my seat and standing up like everyone around me. If then, at the crucial moment, he holds on to the ball too long and misses the simple pass to let in Lukaku or Dell then I'm angry and frustrated like any other fan. That's just a natural human reaction isn't it? The cold hard analysis should probably applaud the move he's made to advance the game but that's easier said than done.

No Evertonian wants Barkley to fail. Nobody with even half a brain can seriously say he's not very good. Nor can they deny he has moments of magic and a huge amount of potential.

There are clear areas he needs to improve on and there are still too many games where he's largely ineffective.

And as for the idea of making him captain.........not in a month of Sundays! He can't string two sentences together and he doesnt have the drive or aggression of a Rooney or a Slippy to compensate. Ultimately he's still young and an extra burden would be just hugely detrimental in my opinion.

But that just isn't true at all. There are loads of our "fans" like this at the match. Not all of them, as you said, can offer a fair analysis of their opinion like you have though I agree.

There are plenty of Evertonians who turn up to the match and revel in the opportunity to criticise our players. And Barkley is a popular player for them to do that to. The ones who understand the game can appreciate that a lot of what Barkley does is through his own ability in the first place. For example when he drives forward and breezes past players for fun... Some of those opposition players are top players as well who can't even get near the lad and have to cynically hack him down or pull him back. Yes he can make mistakes and poor decisions after going on one of them driving runs, but why is Barkley then treated differently to our other attacking minded players?

I see that a popular thing for the modern day fan is to laud a hard hit ball across the box by a winger if he happens to put it in the danger area. So Deulofeu can put in a couple of poor crosses after doing something positive but he's cut some slack for some reason. It's only a good ball by putting it in the danger zone if there is a player that can get on the end of it. Barkley did one the other night after dancing around about 3 of them, but the ball he put across, whilst in a dangerous area, wasn't near any of our attackers. That may be our other players fault for not being there but it wasn't a great ball.

Our younger talented players should be backed and encouraged, yet some want to run them down at any opportunity. As young players they are going to make mistakes. People will also forget that Martinez publicly came out and said that he now wants Barkley to be more adventurous in the final third with killer passes etc. That's inevitably going to lead to mistakes. We've all seen that when he wants to he can be conservative and play 5 yard passes, but the moaners seem to get outraged by that as well, then slaughter him if he loses it trying an ambitious through ball.

 

[Walken]

Yep a discussion for the McCarthy thread, though there's a few examples of McCarthy making an impact going forward this season alone, and it really isn't his job mate.

He's better at sitting and breaking up play and playing that quick pass into the feet of Barkley, who then has the space and freedom (knowing that we have disciplined players behind him) to express his ability and drive forward to the opposition.

Barkley has a lot more impact when McCarthy is in the team.

personally feel he has more when besic is in the team, the link up instinctively

 

[Stephenlloyd]

McCarthy was superb the other night. One of the best players at the club and there aren't many midfielders in the league better at doing what he does than him.

Look at the results since he was injured against Bournemouth... 1 win in the league, and that includes the games that Besic was in the team for.

We all know your a huge McCarthy fan from all your posts, but what happened last season?
Besic has just played against City twice, Chelsea Spurs.
Last season made his debut at
Liverpool then we went to United I think.

I said to you last year that technically besic is a level above McCarthy

 

[bluestevon]

But that just isn't true at all. There are loads of our "fans" like this at the match. Not all of them, as you said, can offer a fair analysis of their opinion like you have though I agree.

There are plenty of Evertonians who turn up to the match and revel in the opportunity to criticise our players. And Barkley is a popular player for them to do that to. The ones who understand the game can appreciate that a lot of what Barkley does is through his own ability in the first place. For example when he drives forward and breezes past players for fun... Some of those opposition players are top players as well who can't even get near the lad and have to cynically hack him down or pull him back. Yes he can make mistakes and poor decisions after going on one of them driving runs, but why is Barkley then treated differently to our other attacking minded players?

I see that a popular thing for the modern day fan is to laud a hard hit ball across the box by a winger if he happens to put it in the danger area. So Deulofeu can put in a couple of poor crosses after doing something positive but he's cut some slack for some reason. It's only a good ball by putting it in the danger zone if there is a player that can get on the end of it. Barkley did one the other night after dancing around about 3 of them, but the ball he put across, whilst in a dangerous area, wasn't near any of our attackers. That may be our other players fault for not being there but it wasn't a great ball.

Our younger talented players should be backed and encouraged, yet some want to run them down at any opportunity. As young players they are going to make mistakes. People will also forget that Martinez publicly came out and said that he now wants Barkley to be more adventurous in the final third with killer passes etc. That's inevitably going to lead to mistakes. We've all seen that when he wants to he can be conservative and play 5 yard passes, but the moaners seem to get outraged by that as well, then slaughter him if he loses it trying an ambitious through ball.

That bit is utterly wrong mate, if the balls put into that danger area it's a bloody good ball, it's then down to slating the players who didn't take advantage of it, the likes of Lineker would have scored about 6 the past 2-3 games from exactly those balls Deulofeu and last game Ross put in, saying that cos a man isn't there its a crap ball is basically against everything your taught to do as a player which is stick the ball in a certain area when crossing

 

[streeky]

The thing that interests me about ross is that he has obviously been given a free role and told not to press or cover back ,which is fine, but you would expect someone who has that freedom to be able to find space all over the pitch. Ross doesn't do this he looks for large groups of the oppo's players and stands near them, which used to wind me up no end, but i am beginning to think he like to draw players on to him with his excellent holding off ability, so he can create space for runners going past him.

 

[blueblue]

That is not a criticism of

We all know your a huge McCarthy fan from all your posts, but what happened last season?
Besic has just played against City twice, Chelsea Spurs.
Last season made his debut at
Liverpool then we went to United I think.

I said to you last year that technically besic is a level above McCarthy

But, if you were picking a team to win would you put Besic before McCarthy ? I wouldn't.

That is not a reflection on Besic, but instead a compliment to McCarthy. When he is playing well we are a much better team.
Besic is showing huge promise but until he has a full season behind him it is difficult to assess him.
At the moment he is a cult hero with potential. He as to realise that potential.