2017/18 Ross Barkley

[APN_EFC]

All this guy needs is a proper coach rather than a manager - a director of football would normally be a good mentor too like

 

[arch stanton]

Mate he had about 10 games where he played "better" and I admitted as much and said he was my MOTM a few times. Trouble is, he went back to playing badly afterward and before that decent run of games... his last decent run was the previous January.. so that's 10 decent games in a year. He is one of the most talented players we have had come through our youth team, he has qualities that only a handfull of players in Europe have.. like his ability to shoot long range with both feet, his ability to dibble at pace some players have that but he also has the physical attributes that many have but not with the other abilities inhace mentioned. His potential is as good as it gets and as a 17 year old he looked like he was going to the very top. Unfortunatley he lacks what 90% of top flight footballers need to have and that is the ablity to make decisions and take on instructions to play in a system. He is not good enough not to work hard and he isn't good enough to build a top 6 team around. His lack of effort without the ball os not outweighed by his ability on it ...

blob on with that Tel Frandel

 

[kenada_blue]

Mate he had about 10 games where he played "better" and I admitted as much and said he was my MOTM a few times. Trouble is, he went back to playing badly afterward and before that decent run of games... his last decent run was the previous January.. so that's 10 decent games in a year. He is one of the most talented players we have had come through our youth team, he has qualities that only a handfull of players in Europe have.. like his ability to shoot long range with both feet, his ability to dibble at pace some players have that but he also has the physical attributes that many have but not with the other abilities inhace mentioned. His potential is as good as it gets and as a 17 year old he looked like he was going to the very top. Unfortunatley he lacks what 90% of top flight footballers need to have and that is the ablity to make decisions and take on instructions to play in a system. He is not good enough not to work hard and he isn't good enough to build a top 6 team around. His lack of effort without the ball os not outweighed by his ability on it ...

We spent £45mill on a player not fit to lace his boots.

That kinda puts his talent in perspective.

Additionally "not good enough to build a top 6 team around". Well...we finished 7th last season with him and Rom being the key players.

They're both gone and we're hovering around relegation.

Again...that says more to me than anything.

 

[Tel001]

blob on with that Tel Frandel

Not sure what blob on means mate

 

[Tel001]

We spent £45mill on a player not fit to lace his boots.

That kinda puts his talent in perspective.

Additionally "not good enough to build a top 6 team around". Well...we finished 7th last season with him and Rom being the key players.

They're both gone and we're hovering around relegation.

Again...that says more to me than anything.

The fact that we paid a massive fee for a different player doesn't effect his abilities mate ... doesn't make him a better player because we bought someone else... and we finished 7th last year ? And? He didn't play well and was by no means the reason we finished 7th. He was in and out of the team and was lacking effort and form. He lost his Everton place and was dropped by England.
The reason we are struggling is because our back line is awful and LUKAKU has gone. Lukaku will always score goals and he was the player that allowed us to play defensive football and still score goals... his absence is a major factor to why we are where we are this season

 

[Moomin]

Not sure what blob on means mate

WOOOLLLLL!!!!!

 

[Tel001]

WOOOLLLLL!!!!!

Dunno what wool is either mate

 

[Barnfred 55]

The fact that we paid a massive fee for a different player doesn't effect his abilities mate ... doesn't make him a better player because we bought someone else... and we finished 7th last year ? And? He didn't play well and was by no means the reason we finished 7th. He was in and out of the team and was lacking effort and form. He lost his Everton place and was dropped by England.
The reason we are struggling is because our back line is awful and LUKAKU has gone. Lukaku will always score goals and he was the player that allowed us to play defensive football and still score goals... his absence is a major factor to why we are where we are this season

I agreed with a lot of what you said in your previous post mate, but you have reverted to type with this one. He has not progressed as well as we all hoped he would from the precocious talent he was as a 17 yo, and he certainly doesn't deliver enough attacking wise that we can give him a completely free reign on his defensive duties. He will never become that player sadly as his decision making is just not good enough. But we still have a very good player on our books, especially if he can find a bit more consistency.

You clearly don't like him mate, which is your prerogative, and any praise conceded is so obviously done begrudgingly. The spell of a dozen or so games at the beginning of the year was perhaps his most consistent and all round form shown in a blue shirt. But there were other games earlier in the season when he played well too. And the previous season he was up amongst the top 5 attacking mids in the Premier up until Feb, when the whole team basically downed tools. Last season, he won more MOMs on the GOT poll than any other player, including Rom, and was in the top 3 in more than 80% of the games he played in. But that's not consistent enough for you.

Apart from Sunderland away, when he was substituted at half time, I can't recall a game over the last two and a half seasons where we have played well without him being in the team. Not one!!!. Bottom line is that when Ross plays well, Everton tend to win football matches.

I hate the stand off that is going on at the moment, and my own opinion of the player has diminished as a result. But let's not kid ourselves that we are not a better side with him on the pitch, or that we haven't missed him this season .

By the way, "blob on" basically means the guy agrees with you.

 

[kenada_blue]

The fact that we paid a massive fee for a different player doesn't effect his abilities mate ... doesn't make him a better player because we bought someone else... and we finished 7th last year ? And? He didn't play well and was by no means the reason we finished 7th. He was in and out of the team and was lacking effort and form. He lost his Everton place and was dropped by England.
The reason we are struggling is because our back line is awful and LUKAKU has gone. Lukaku will always score goals and he was the player that allowed us to play defensive football and still score goals... his absence is a major factor to why we are where we are this season

It does. The type of player he is either costs a lot or you get lucky with your scouting. We spent a lot for someone who doesn't influence open play.

And as for it was just Lukaku...you telling me he scored all them goals by himself? With zero build up? We just pumped it long to him over 4 years?

We're not talking about assists we're talking about attacking build up. Barkley has been integral to that since Martinez came in. You can't name another player in the squad over 4 years as influencial in the midfield to how we attack.

He was dropped for a handful of games by a bully of a coach. 1 game (Sunderland away) where his absence led to a decent performance. Name another game where we looked better without Ross Barkley?

As for England...who cares? Loftus Cheek is the new Gazza now after his 12 games in a team at the foot of the premiership.

Again, it's fans that think Barkley wasn't a key player, that he's very replaceable. This season shows just how valuable an asset he is/was.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Chelsea are gonna snag a bargain.

 

[Tel001]

I agreed with a lot of what you said in your previous post mate, but you have reverted to type with this one. He has not progressed as well as we all hoped he would from the precocious talent he was as a 17 yo, and he certainly doesn't deliver enough attacking wise that we can give him a completely free reign on his defensive duties. He will never become that player sadly as his decision making is just not good enough. But we still have a very good player on our books, especially if he can find a bit more consistency.

You clearly don't like him mate, which is your prerogative, and any praise conceded is so obviously done begrudgingly. The spell of a dozen or so games at the beginning of the year was perhaps his most consistent and all round form shown in a blue shirt. But there were other games earlier in the season when he played well too. And the previous season he was up amongst the top 5 attacking mids in the Premier up until Feb, when the whole team basically downed tools. Last season, he won more MOMs on the GOT poll than any other player, including Rom, and was in the top 3 in more than 80% of the games he played in. But that's not consistent enough for you.

Apart from Sunderland away, when he was substituted at half time, I can't recall a game over the last two and a half seasons where we have played well without him being in the team. Not one!!!. Bottom line is that when Ross plays well, Everton tend to win football matches.

I hate the stand off that is going on at the moment, and my own opinion of the player has diminished as a result. But let's not kid ourselves that we are not a better side with him on the pitch, or that we haven't missed him this season .

By the way, "blob on" basically means the guy agrees with you.

Mate my opinion of Barkley was a polar contrast tonwhatbis is currently... I don't "not like him" I want him to be amazing ... I just don't think he is and doubt he will be. The aggression in my posts all stems from literally hundreds of posts that I have read comparing him to lampard , Gerard, scholes etc. I disagreed and said they all had the mental strength to get to the top. This means I apparently hate barkley .. which wasn't true. The one thing I do hate about him tho is the fact he's scouse, an evertonain BIT is lazy. There is absolutely no excuse for him to either not work hard or pretend to press. He's one of our own and that gives him a bit of pressure but it also gives him a lot more people behind him souring him on. If he showed passion then I honestly think the blues that aren't impressed by him would get behind him, I know I would. But I cannot watch a supposed blue put half arsed performances in when the going gets tough I can't and won't stand for it. He will never be a David silva he hasn't got the brain... so that means he can't be absent when we don't have the ball.

Also your saying that siggy has been signed for massive money and can't influence a game. You then go on to ross being statistically one of the best mid in the prem for half a season. Well using stats ... siggy was the best wasn't he?

 

[Barnfred 55]

It does. The type of player he is either costs a lot or you get lucky with your scouting. We spent a lot for someone who doesn't influence open play.

And as for it was just Lukaku...you telling me he scored all them goals by himself? With zero build up? We just pumped it long to him over 4 years?

We're not talking about assists we're talking about attacking build up. Barkley has been integral to that since Martinez came in. You can't name another player in the squad over 4 years as influencial in the midfield to how we attack.

He was dropped for a handful of games by a bully of a coach. 1 game (Sunderland away) where his absence led to a decent performance. Name another game where we looked better without Ross Barkley?

As for England...who cares? Loftus Cheek is the new Gazza now after his 12 games in a team at the foot of the premiership.

Again, it's fans that think Barkley wasn't a key player, that he's very replaceable. This season shows just how valuable an asset he is/was.

I like the lad as a player with potential. But he stayed with Chelsea last season and didn't impress in his few opportunities, and this season is an attacking midfielder in a team that has scored 4 goals in 11 games and is rock bottom of the premier.

But he was a key player in Southalls term as U21 manager, as are most of the players he is giving an opportunity to at the moment. Barkley was fast tracked to the full team and hardly played under Southall. Says everything about our current England manager IMO.

 

[Tel001]

It does. The type of player he is either costs a lot or you get lucky with your scouting. We spent a lot for someone who doesn't influence open play.

And as for it was just Lukaku...you telling me he scored all them goals by himself? With zero build up? We just pumped it long to him over 4 years?

We're not talking about assists we're talking about attacking build up. Barkley has been integral to that since Martinez came in. You can't name another player in the squad over 4 years as influencial in the midfield to how we attack.

He was dropped for a handful of games by a bully of a coach. 1 game (Sunderland away) where his absence led to a decent performance. Name another game where we looked better without Ross Barkley?

As for England...who cares? Loftus Cheek is the new Gazza now after his 12 games in a team at the foot of the premiership.

Again, it's fans that think Barkley wasn't a key player, that he's very replaceable. This season shows just how valuable an asset he is/was.

Mate put lukaku in that team and we would be closer to the top 6 than the bottom. At the very least our goals for column would be nearly double .

 

[kenada_blue]

Mate put lukaku in that team and we would be closer to the top 6 than the bottom. At the very least our goals for column would be nearly double .

No doubt.

But we also wouldn't be where we are now with Barkley playing due the balance of the squad.

That's the point.

 

[Tel001]

No doubt.

But we also wouldn't be where we are now with Barkley playing due the balance of the squad.

That's the point.

Well I guess we will find out but I don't think so, hopefully I'm wrong. If it doesn't go well for him straight away the crowd will destroy him because of the contract situation. Ross can't even play when we boo bobby , can you imagine him at goodison when the crowd actually boo him.