Russia / Everton

[LEONARD]

The mental gymnastics some Evertonians do to justify one of Putin's bastards giving us money is frightening.

This is Everton, it will end BADLY.

 

[ClausThomsen]

All the daft mushrooms in football media / on here moaning about USM sponsering us whilst they plan to watch a Qatari world cup in stadiums built by slaves, watching Newcastle spend Saudi blood money from owners that still stone gays to death and gush over a Manchester City team built on the riches of the corrupt UAE Royal Families.

Koff with the virtue signalling.

Usmanov is alright in my book - not his fault Putin is carrying on like a mad man.

Or alternatively 'koff with the whataboutery.

It's a wilfully strange take on things if you're claiming the links with Usmanov have had anything like as much media attention as the Qatar WC or the Newcastle takeover. It's like saying it's unfair to criticise punching a woman because other's do much worse.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Why do these big nasty dictators, oligarchs, evil regimes, etc all buy football clubs?

All the daft mushrooms in football media / on here moaning about USM sponsering us whilst they plan to watch a Qatari world cup in stadiums built by slaves, watching Newcastle spend Saudi blood money from owners that still stone gays to death and gush over a Manchester City team built on the riches of the corrupt UAE Royal Families.

Koff with the virtue signalling.

Usmanov is alright in my book - not his fault Putin is carrying on like a mad man.

Ah, ok. Well.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Or alternatively 'koff with the whataboutery.

It's a wilfully strange take on things if you're claiming the links with Usmanov have had anything like as much media attention as the Qatar WC or the Newcastle takeover. It's like saying it's unfair to criticise punching a woman because other's do much worse.

Why do these big nasty dictators, oligarchs, evil regimes, etc all buy football clubs?



Ah, ok. Well.

Last time I checked Usmanov never decided to invade Ukraine, bomb Ukraine or shoot at Ukrainian people.

 

[gazzaa2]

Last time I checked Usmanov never decided to invade Ukraine, bomb Ukraine or shoot at Ukrainian people.

You wouldn't punish all Jewish people because Israel did something bad. It's bordering on persecution now with some of these rich Russians as if they've got anything to do with Putin's actions in Ukraine.

It's also desperate. Everton are just caught in the crossfire of politics.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Last time I checked Usmanov never decided to invade Ukraine, bomb Ukraine or shoot at Ukrainian people.

Oh you missed the news?

It was announced on Monday night that Usmanov’s assets had been frozen by the EU due to his “particularly close ties to Russian president Vladimir Putin”.

A statement said restrictive measures on 26 persons included “an asset freeze and a prohibition from making funds available to the listed individuals and entities”, while “a travel ban applicable to the listed persons prevents these from entering or transiting through EU territory”.

The regulation update described Usmanov as a “pro-Kremlin oligarch with particularly close ties to Russian president Vladimir Putin”.

It added: “He has been referred to as one of Vladimir Putin’s favourite oligarchs. He is considered to be one of Russia’s businessmen-officials, who were entrusted with servicing financial flows, but their positions depend on the will of the president.”

Usmanov was also cited by the EU for “actively supported materially or financially Russian decision-makers responsible for the annexation of Crimea and the destabilisation of Ukraine”.

Presumably this changes your position?

 

[TonyT65]

You keep being *with* your chosen good guys. I'm telling you there are no good guys.

Just stop it ffs. We all know worse case scenario! Don't need you shouting it from the roof tops as per !!

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

You wouldn't punish all Jewish people because Israel did something bad. It's bordering on persecution now with some of these rich Russians.

1) Very precarious analogy throwing in Jews interchangeably with Israelis.
2) Following from that - Usmanov isn't Russian. That doesn't mean he isn't absolutely, entirely, a bad guy who has done bad things to earn his ungodly wealth. His weird association with Everton is a stain on the club.

 

[gazzaa2]

1) Very precarious analogy throwing in Jews interchangeably with Israelis.
2) Following from that - Usmanov isn't Russian. That doesn't mean he isn't absolutely, entirely, a bad guy who has done bad things to earn his ungodly wealth. His weird association with Everton is a stain on the club.

1) I don't mean to use offence with that, just saying how unfair it is.
2) Usmanov has a Russian passport afaik. So what if he's put his money into Everton? He owned a huge stake in Arsenal previously and tried to buy the club.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Last time I checked Usmanov never decided to invade Ukraine, bomb Ukraine or shoot at Ukrainian people.

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The EU said its council had “added 26 persons and one entity to the list of persons, entities and bodies subject to restrictive measures in respect of actions undermining or threatening the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine”.

“He has been referred to as one of Vladimir Putin’s favourite oligarchs. He is considered to be one of Russia’s businessmen-officials, who were entrusted with servicing financial flows, but their positions depend on the will of the president.”
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What are your thoughts on people who financially facilitate actions such as invading, bombing or shooting at people? They don't actually carry out those acts or even ultimately make the decisions but they facilitate those who do with financial aid? Would you consider them to be innocent in those events?

You've mentioned several times your disdain for anyone supporting violence against innocent civilians at whatever level whether it's a "groomed" 15 year old girl marrying a soldier/jihadist or an unhinged suicide bomber and I certainly don't see that as unreasonable. So why do you not have any level of contempt for an oligarch with financial and political links to Vladimir Putin?

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

1) I don't mean to use offence with that, just saying how unfair it is.
2) Usmanov has a Russian passport afaik. So what if he's put his money into Everton? He owned a huge stake in Arsenal previously and tried to buy the club.

My point is forget about his nationality.

He's not being discriminated against for having a Russian passport (if he still does) in the same way that Abramovic isn't being targeted for his Russian passport (or Israeli/Portuguese) --- These are individual sanctions against politically influential oligarchs, who in Usmanov's case "actively supported materially or financially Russian decision-makers responsible for the annexation of Crimea and the destabilisation of Ukraine".

He's known, and has always been known, as a shady, scary character.

Unfortunately football is attractive to these bad characters, so we're not alone in having our funding come from horrible sources. But we really shouldn't like it, or respond with whatabouteries.

Also we've been a shambles since he and his accountant took over, so it's not like we have much to thank for his money.

 

[Dymak]

Presumably this changes your position?

Well if it’s reported in Western media then it must be true.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Oh you missed the news?



Presumably this changes your position?

The Oligarchs and russian businesses are being targeted financially / sanctioned to put pressure on Putin/The Kremlin.

End of the day mate no Usmanov hurts EFC financially.

No PIF hurts Newcastle financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the Saudi bombing of Yemen / stoning to death of gays.

No Shiekh Mansour hurts Man City financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the UAE human rights issues.

No QSI / BEIN sports hurts PSG / The PL financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the Qatari human rights issues / slaves dying of heat stroke / exhaustion building stadiums for a world cup.

Then you have all the dodgy gangster owners of clubs in Eastern europe, Chinese Govt backed companies investing in Man City / Wolves, US billionaires with links to terrorist sponsering companies owning clubs in English football.

Any Evertonian happy to see us suffer whilst the rest go about their day with their own shady owners need to wake up.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Well if it’s reported in Western media then it must be true.

To be clear: you're defending Alisher Usmanov?
Just so I can understand your position - you feel Alisher Usmanov, who is worth $12bn, is an unfair victim in this war?

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

The Oligarchs and russian businesses are being targeted financially / sanctioned to put pressure on Putin/The Kremlin.

End of the day mate no Usmanov hurts EFC financially.

No PIF hurts Newcastle financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the Saudi bombing of Yemen / stoning to death of gays.

No Shiekh Mansour hurts Man City financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the UAE human rights issues.

No QSI / BEIN sports hurts PSG / The PL financially but the powers that be aint bothered by the Qatari human rights issues / slaves dying of heat stroke / exhaustion building stadiums for a world cup.

Then you have all the dodgy gangster owners of clubs in Eastern europe, Chinese Govt backed companies investing in Man City / Wolves, US billionaires with links to terrorist sponsering companies owning clubs in English football.

Any Evertonian happy to see us suffer whilst the rest go about their day with their own shady owners need to wake up.

You need to go to bed