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Russia / Everton

Are we in trouble?


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Entities the world over are taking steps to disassociate themselves from even the slightest whiff of a Russian connection, the club will have do the same and sharpish.

Surely they are already scrambling to come up with a response. Any delay or obfuscation is PR dynamite and will be seized upon by a willing media. We have no friends in those circles as it is.

It leaves us in a dreadfully exposed position on all fronts and at the worst possible time. It might be to our favour that construction has started on the stadium, but whatever private and legitimate commercial funding already in place is hanging by the thinnest of threads if we do not disassociate from Usmanov/USM immediately.

We can't afford to do that but we also cannot afford not to. Hobson's choice and a day of reckoning looms.
Its getting to these ridiculous levels now

No Russian is going to sacrifice their family's lives by speaking out. And I don't think its something we should be expecting.

But if we have USM/Megafon etc as our sponsors still come next matchday in 2 days after seeing articles like this, you can only imagine the response
 
You can't save everybody, you have to save those closest to you. Also, what's this got to do with anything I said. I said we are Everton, we can't go fight, but we can at least show support by not flying the flag for russian business. Everton have nothing to do with Yemen, what do you want us to do? If we had Saudi sponsors, I dare say many would have a problem with that too... but we don't! why are you trying to deflect? You want to go save the Yemen people, do it! campaign on their behalf... well, go on...
What about the American and British sponsors? Associated with country’s who obliterated Afghan and Iraq.
 
Entities the world over are taking steps to disassociate themselves from even the slightest whiff of a Russian connection, the club will have do the same and sharpish.

Surely they are already scrambling to come up with a response. Any delay or obfuscation is PR dynamite and will be seized upon by a willing media. We have no friends in those circles as it is.

It leaves us in a dreadfully exposed position on all fronts and at the worst possible time. It might be to our favour that construction has started on the stadium, but whatever private and legitimate commercial funding already in place is hanging by the thinnest of threads if we do not disassociate from Usmanov/USM immediately.

We can't afford to do that but we also cannot afford not to. Hobson's choice and a day of reckoning looms.

I dont think much will happen tbh.

The club cant be sanctioned as Moshiri is technically the owner.

I'll be massively shocked if the club drop the sponsors and I'll be fuming if we do.

£12 million a year sponsering FF
£30 million towards BMD
so much towards womens team

We cant afford to wave goodbye to £40-45 million a year revenue because the Kopite media try guilt trip us whilst egnoring all the shenanigans elsewhere in the PL.
Would USM still want to sponsor us? What do USM gain when pretty much anything Russian or Russian by association is now being exiled by 'the west'. Why would they continue to put money our way?
 
Would USM still want to sponsor us? What do USM gain when pretty much anything Russian or Russian by association is now being exiled by 'the west'. Why would they continue to put money our way?
I imagine they would want to continue putting money our way. I'd imagine also they put money into more worthy causes than football clubs.

Even if their intentions were driven by something other than genuine altruism, it's a good strategy for them.

Our issue though is that the music has stopped playing, and we most likely find ourselves without a partner. Football finance is murky at best and far worse then that in reality but the focus is on Russia. Not Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, China, or anywhere else.
 

So the EU have sanctioned Usmanov.

Just a matter of time until the USM connection at Everton is severed now.

We really are going to be careering out of control soon.

Let's hope @AndyC is right and there's a businessman out there worth £14B to replace Usmanov...one who has no nasty connections and doesn't mind bailing us out to the tune of half a billion quid in debt and doesn't mind turning a beach at the docks into a £600M stadium.

I'm sure they'll be queuing up.
Firstly Dave, it's not as if Usmanov would ever have sunk anything remotely close to £14B into Everton, so realistically the new owner won't need quite that much to complete a deal.

And secondly, as I've previously stated I remain very confident that when Moshiri decides to sell - as his links to USM and all the sanctions will, I feel sure, almost certainly force him to strongly consider and extremely seriously - a more than suitably heeled and willing purchaser will be found.

Furthermore, as it will be Moshiri selling and not the current Chairman, no new owner would be as daft as Moshiri was to do a deal that meant the current Chairman not only benefitted enormously financially from the sale of the majority of his shareholding AND remained in situ in the Chair.

I'll concede that it's not the best way it could have happened but for me, it'll be a win-win - new ownership and a completely new Board of Directors... new money, new ideas, a true new beginning.

And forgive me for saying this but, as someone who labelled Moshiri little more than a carpetbagger when he first arrived and for a long time afterwards, I would have thought that you for one would welcome his (hopefully soon) departure and arrival of new money, new BoD and new ideas ?
 

I dont think much will happen tbh.

The club cant be sanctioned as Moshiri is technically the owner.

I'll be massively shocked if the club drop the sponsors and I'll be fuming if we do.

£12 million a year sponsering FF
£30 million towards BMD
so much towards womens team

We cant afford to wave goodbye to £40-45 million a year revenue because the Kopite media try guilt trip us whilst egnoring all the shenanigans elsewhere in the PL.
Is correct.

However, USM through Usmanov have and are being sanctioned and won't be able to make any payments to anybody, and even if they could, accepting them would be illegal.
 
For everton, I feel like there's two separate issues here. The first is the sponsorship which is, to be crude, a PR issue. We can give that money back and its not gonna cost us much more than a couple of particularly bad player purchases. Bad for finances but not liquidation.

But the other issue is the extent to which Moshiris money is Usmanovs money. We don't really know the answer to that but personally I fear the worst. If they're effectively the same then we're potentially in big trouble. Who's guaranteeing the loans for the stadium? Who covers the operating losses we make?

The other comments on this thread about other owners money coming from equally disgusting sources/regimes are spot on but basically irrelevant. This isn't like the Premier league have decided to boot us out for having a Russian owner. World governments are freezing the man's assets, legitimately so, because Oligarchs are Putins biggest weakness and one of the key things sustaining his power. Everton are potentially just collateral damage.

Spend all those years looking for a 'good' billionaire and it turns out that such a thing doesn't exist! Really the answer for football is to not need owners to be billionaires to compete, then it might not be in this mess.
 
This discussion reminds me of the moral blackmail this club suffered in 1985 when it was made abundantly clear to the board and fans that decrying the grotesquely unfair ban from European competition was an abomination in the light of the horrific deaths of 39 people in Brussels. The message was clear: how dare Evertonians worry about football-related issues when people have died.

Now we are set up to be the sacrificial lamb once more. By all means purge English football and Everton Football Club of malign influence from hostile and malevolent states. But why we would line up as a fanbase to uniquely sacrifice ourselves while the malign influence of other hostile and malevolent states is waved through and actively encouraged at the highest government levels beggars belief.

This issue goes way beyond Everton and dodgy Russian money. It is a problem across the entirety of football. The despots who run Manchester City are not "linked" to despots like Usmanov. They ARE the despots. And they are mild compared to who has just taken over at Newcastle.

I'm not going to cry over Everton if we now find ourselves bankrupt and fall through the divisions as a result of sanctions. It would pretty much copper-fasten the story of Bill Kenwright as the most disastrous "custodian" in the history of the club. He couldn't even sell us to a proper untouchable despot. But by the same token, I think only an idiot would willingly go along with the prevailing winds that singles out little old Everton while allowing headchoppers and proven human rights abusers to hold sway at rival clubs. Is the message that it's okay to bomb Yemen but not Ukraine?

Evertonians are forever saying we do not get a fair crack of the whip - from referees, officials, etc. Yet here we are passively allowing our club to be singled out (has Abramovich been sanctioned yet?) and, once again, treated differently from others. Kick Usmanov out - but let's insist that MBS is kicked out at Newcastle and City find new, less blood-soaked, benefactors. Or we can take up station on the moral high ground of the Conference, or whatever it is called these days, and admire our own purity and selflessness while the, admittedly, corrupt game goes on without us anyway.

The entire edifice of football is corrupt. Pulling down Everton while allowing the rest of the vast framework to remain standing is self-defeating, self-aggrandising idiocy. Moshiri and Usmanov should be forced out along with the other parasites, many far far worse, in this league and game. But let's not make complete victims of ourselves so that we feel superior when we turn up to play Boreham Wood, not in the FA Cup, but in the National League.

Mate that is a fantastic post. A great well written read. Nice one.
 
This has nothing to do with Everton. We should not be punished as a club. Any dealings with the club Usmanov has should be left out of any sanctions.

Why should we face destruction because Putin invaded a country?

Interesting point is, watch how people start to hate ALL Russians, when there’s probably millions who are like WTF Putin lad!
 

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