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magicjuan said:
Economically? China basically owns America.
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Do they though? By what metric?

In terms of foreign investment they trail Europe by a VERY large margin. The US also invests more overseas than the combined amount all countries invest in the US.

You might be thinking about debt maybe? China owns "a lot" of US debt. No doubt. However, again, not the most. Japan (yes ... Japan ... the country idiot panic merchants said would own the US in the 80s and 90s and now they never talk about) owns more (very slightly and these are rough estimates but the best we have) than China. Europe has essentially the same amount as China too. It's essentially a three way tie.

China doesn't own more than 25% of US debt and less than 15% of investments.

(Some of this depends on which source you use, how the article might combine debt and investment etc. but there aren't any views that end up with China owning significantly more than Europe or Japan or the US itself. Hell the Federal Reserve and pensions etc. owns more US debt than any foreign entity.)

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/images/January15/8 foreign direct investment.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shows-which-countries-own-the-most-u-s-debt/

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/15/news/economy/japan-china-us-debt-treasury/

Aside from the fact they have no real roadmap to develop a real middle class domestic consumption economy (of scale), their slowing growth, their looming construction bubble, and most of their water is poison I'm sure China will have no other hurdles in dominating the world like bores go on about all the time. Remember: nothing happening right now is new. Born in the UK, live in Canada ... no horse in the race other than hating when people fall for the media's agendas. China is likely to be over-estimated for a few more years until it stagnates enough to start being underestimated (because it will still be massive but bells will see their failure to reach levels only their own fevered dumb dumb minds imagined and hold it against them ... like how Japan isn't "supposed" to hold the most US debt it's supposed to be China so everyone can be afraid of Russia/China/Middle East ... allies Japan and Europe "owning the US" doesn't fit the narrative).
 
njligernj said:
Do they though? By what metric?

In terms of foreign investment they trail Europe by a VERY large margin. The US also invests more overseas than the combined amount all countries invest in the US.

You might be thinking about debt maybe? China owns "a lot" of US debt. No doubt. However, again, not the most. Japan (yes ... Japan ... the country idiot panic merchants said would own the US in the 80s and 90s and now they never talk about) owns more (very slightly and these are rough estimates but the best we have) than China. Europe has essentially the same amount as China too. It's essentially a three way tie.

China doesn't own more than 25% of US debt and less than 15% of investments.

(Some of this depends on which source you use, how the article might combine debt and investment etc. but there aren't any views that end up with China owning significantly more than Europe or Japan or the US itself. Hell the Federal Reserve and pensions etc. owns more US debt than any foreign entity.)

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/images/January15/8 foreign direct investment.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shows-which-countries-own-the-most-u-s-debt/

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/15/news/economy/japan-china-us-debt-treasury/

Aside from the fact they have no real roadmap to develop a real middle class domestic consumption economy (of scale), their slowing growth, their looming construction bubble, and most of their water is poison I'm sure China will have no other hurdles in dominating the world like bores go on about all the time. Remember: nothing happening right now is new. Born in the UK, live in Canada ... no horse in the race other than hating when people fall for the media's agendas. China is likely to be over-estimated for a few more years until it stagnates enough to start being underestimated (because it will still be massive but bells will see their failure to reach levels only their own fevered dumb dumb minds imagined and hold it against them ... like how Japan isn't "supposed" to hold the most US debt it's supposed to be China so everyone can be afraid of Russia/China/Middle East ... Japan and Europe "owning the US" doesn't fit the narrative).
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Nicely worded. Well argued. Opinion of course, as was mine.

If we were in full flow technological society I would no doubt agree to a point, but that is measured against 'standard matrices' and fiscal measurements.

America doesn't really have Americans on side. As with elsewhere the advances and positioning have been achieved at the cost of homegrown mistrust. Setting aside political mechanisms elsewhere on the opposite side there is tighter support for domestic policy, perhaps through put down dissent in some cases, and greater support on the international stage, demands for greater recognition and influence, away from US dominated hegemony.

The grand chessboard foreign policies carried out by a US lead west have served corporate interests as opposed to national interests and as corporate interests see no boundary constraints they care less.

The position of the 'successful' west has lead them into a corner, believing to be in control of foreign policy outcomes. The reality as we look across the globe sees the strategy to be failing as hot spots flare up. So many enemies in so many places and no stomach at home for a fight. Hence the massive propaganda operation.

These situations have spiralled to be not just about land grabbing and mineral grabbing but about the near future and who gets the greatest influence. I see America as a dying ideal straing against an 'anyone but America' philosophy. You see it, daily, beneath the surface.

So the bores and the dumb dumb minds may appear alarmist, but, the pace and fragility of now is extremely alarming.

China 'owns' America, BRIC 'owns' America, because its system is crumbling under the weight of its own greed, naivety and arrogance.
 

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