TheBigIguana
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I don't get why people think Sarri was bad for Chelsea. Tuchel is a fair bit different I think.
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Lampard should've stayed, look at Ole now at Manure. He could've been sacked umpteen times in his short tenure, the likes of Roman and those in charge at Watford are clueless. You've got to build with the right people - managers and players. And accept that it takes time and there will be ups and downs.
He wasn't bad but he wasn't great either. He improved their points total from the year before by 2 points but they were still miles off of the top 2 of City and Chelsea.
I wasn't saying he was bad just that he and Tuchel both love their weird formations and tactics.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
Ah I got you, I know they weren't a ton better in the league but he won the Europa so to me he was successful. And Sarri is a bit different because he's very rigid in what he wants to do. Tuchel will chop and change. Which might be what they need right now because no one has any clue what their best system is.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
That's my feeling too but it isn't that simple when you have Pulisic and Ziyech's hamstrings
It's farcical all how so many are saying he couldn't turn it down when it was offered, of course he could have. Chelsea change managers every 18-24 months anyway, he should have carried on with Derby and gained more crucial experience. If he did well then Roman would certainly have called back him back after firing whomever had got it instead.
He took it out of ego and the media are defending him out of nothing but bias for English managers. It was a ridiculous move for a novice to make.
He took it out of ego and the media are defending him out of nothing but bias for English managers. It was a ridiculous move for a novice to make.
TheBigIguana
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He was never going to go back to another championship season either though.
The thing is it could have gone wrong, Derby were boosted massively by having guys like Mount and Tomori on loan and without them could have just sat midtable. And then he never gets the step up.
the win irrelevant - they made their decision last week & it was a case of making sure they had replacement boxed off. Same fate for bilic (draw v city) earlier in the season
Borussin
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agree.
Whatever people think of Tuchel, he is never a step back from Lampard.
Tuchel is a good coach who will get a lot more from the great group of attacking players they have in Chelsea.
For sure he is to clever for his own good at times, but he will get them back on track. Chelsea squad is very strong and needs to be challenging. Their mistake was going with sentiment and appointing Lampard as coach. It backfired.
But their cycle under Abramovich of fairly short-term appointments around the 2 year mark is fairly successful overall and (I think) is the most decorated era in the clubs history.
It seems that long term managerial reigns are pretty much over. They are mainly now just the senior member of the coaching staff as opposed to the person "running" the entire club in the same way the likes of Clough, Ferguson or Wenger did. The manager is now often just tasked with utilising what is available to them in the best way possible and to be entirely focused on preparing for games.
Keeping someone in charge on the basis that they'll eventually get it right is speculative at best. Managers in the modern game who manage to stay in a job for a relatively long time only do so by performing well early on and earning a bit of goodwill that translates to time to put things right if it starts to go awry.
Chelsea's cycle of managers is nothing out of the ordinary among the sides who are looking for success throughout the top leagues in Europe.
The most successful teams of the last 20 years seem to have worked on trying to maintain a sense of stability and long term outlook behind the scenes. The first team manager is an appointment that doesn't necessarily affect that.
Borussin
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The chelsea job is actually a great job for coaches regardless of the fact they don’t seem to last long.
- They get very well paid, most likely making them one of the highest paid coaches in the league, if they get sacked - they get a payout on their contract too, so financially it’s great
- Because Chelsea have become known for a quick turnover of coaches, it doesn’t actually harm reputations and many of these coaches go on to other big teams/jobs (Sarri to Juve, Conte to Inter, Mourinho to Inter then to Man Utd, Ancelotti to PSG etc)
- They get to work with a pretty much always really strong and deep squad, which means they should be in with a chance of winning trophies from the start, rather than have to try and build.
It can be a great job for padding a CV actually - even their caretaker coaches like Benitez, Hiddink and Di Matteo won trophies, not for Lampard of course but then he was just a bad choice of coach for them to take.
- They get very well paid, most likely making them one of the highest paid coaches in the league, if they get sacked - they get a payout on their contract too, so financially it’s great
- Because Chelsea have become known for a quick turnover of coaches, it doesn’t actually harm reputations and many of these coaches go on to other big teams/jobs (Sarri to Juve, Conte to Inter, Mourinho to Inter then to Man Utd, Ancelotti to PSG etc)
- They get to work with a pretty much always really strong and deep squad, which means they should be in with a chance of winning trophies from the start, rather than have to try and build.
It can be a great job for padding a CV actually - even their caretaker coaches like Benitez, Hiddink and Di Matteo won trophies, not for Lampard of course but then he was just a bad choice of coach for them to take.
Is Tucehl good with academy players? The U23's will be feeling like it might go back to the old Chelsea way if he isn't.
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