Sam Allardyce

[nsno-chris]

I’m certainly not calling him a saviour and I think you can only talk about how you feel and that’s how I felt watching that Southampton game . Without hyperbole it’s one of my recent lowest points watching Everton , it just felt as things were only getting worse and was going to end badly .

The argument I held was that we could have appointed a long term manager instead of a short term, the summer will be more upheaval again. Hes an awful manager with a disgusting attitude, he’s hung the players out to dry when it hasn’t worked and took the credit when it did.

I despise the man

 

[witchdoc187]

It was November ffs. We had a much easier run of games coming up. Key players coming back from injury. A transfer window coming up to get that much needed striker in. And we didnt have to juggle around euro matches.

So yes. I was always confident that we'd finish 7th. Moreso than I am now tbh.

I admire your confidence but matches at home to Atalanta and against Southampton should be pretty straightforward and getting thumped conceding 9 goals in the process scared me to death

 

[Harryflashman]

It was shocking mate. Even the young lads heads went down and it was the first time I'd seen that. I'd come to expect it from the senior players. But it was still only 1 game and the opposition all turned up tbf. It happens.

I saw worse in that first half away to Arsenal and in the 2 games against WBA. But I put those down to selection and tactics rather than player attitude. Neither can be condoned by the way.

For me though I get why if you own the club you panic in that situation because if I was in that position I think it’s hard not to .

The argument I held was that we could have appointed a long term manager instead of a short term, the summer will be more upheaval again. Hes an awful manager with a disgusting attitude, he’s hung the players out to dry when it hasn’t worked and took the credit when it did.

I despise the man

I’m not really arguing with any of those points to be honest mate , I was just discussing how I felt at the time and in that position . I envy those that didn’t feel we were in trouble because I absolutely did. The situation at the moment is a mess that’s for sure .

 

[witchdoc187]

The argument I held was that we could have appointed a long term manager instead of a short term, the summer will be more upheaval again. Hes an awful manager with a disgusting attitude, he’s hung the players out to dry when it hasn’t worked and took the credit when it did.

I despise the man

Maybe we couldn't get who we wanted long term then mate and were panicked into this. Don't forget we only wanted to give him contract till end of season

 

[Barnfred 55]

I admire your confidence but matches at home to Atalanta and against Southampton should be pretty straightforward and getting thumped conceding 9 goals in the process scared me to death

The Atalanta game was a dead rubber mate. We were already out of the competition (as we were effectively in the Lyon away game) and sadly the players played like it too. Even Unsworth showed his colours when he brought Feeney in at RB for Kenny (to the best if my knowledge I don't think Feeney has ever played RB for the U23s) and both Keane and Williams were a disgrace in that game so either could have been pulled. The Southampton game I've gone over in previous posts.

But I always felt that we had the talent in the squad (as unbalanced as it was) and it was a case of finding a line up and system that worked for this group of players until the imbalance could be rectified. I always believed us to have the best squad outside the top 6 and still do.

Just a shame we have a manager who is (possibly) still fighting a relegation battle. We'll see how he approaches the next 2 games. Now we're safe he should tell the players to go for it (like in the Anfield FA cup game), but I don't think he will.

 

[witchdoc187]

The Atalanta game was a dead rubber mate. We were already out of the competition (as we were effectively in the Lyon away game) and sadly the players played like it too. Even Unsworth showed his colours when he brought Feeney in at RB for Kenny (to the best if my knowledge I don't think Feeney has ever played RB for the U23s) and both Keane and Williams were a disgrace in that game so either could have been pulled. The Southampton game I've gone over in previous posts.

But I always felt that we had the talent in the squad (as unbalanced as it was) and it was a case of finding a line up and system that worked for this group of players until the imbalance could be rectified. I always believed us to have the best squad outside the top 6 and still do.

Just a shame we have a manager who is (possibly) still fighting a relegation battle. We'll see how he approaches the next 2 games. Now we're safe he should tell the players to go for it (like in the Anfield FA cup game), but I don't think he will.

History tells us big Sam will not go for it

 

[Barnfred 55]

For me though I get why if you own the club you panic in that situation because if I was in that position I think it’s hard not to .



I’m not really arguing with any of those points to be honest mate , I was just discussing how I felt at the time and in that position . I envy those that didn’t feel we were in trouble because I absolutely did. The situation at the moment is a mess that’s for sure .

Fully agree with this mate. It's not my money so I don't know what I would do in his shoes.

But he's probably got around a quarter mill of his own money invested in the club and the security of that is dependant on us staying in the premier league. So I can understand why he got jittery and made, what for me, was the knee jerk decision to appoint a manager with a track record of Premier survival. I've no doubt it was a short term arrangement in his own mind and just hope the guy doesn't stay here long enough to do too much damage. As it stands I think there is some making up to do with some of the young players, but apart from that, and the awful football we are being forced to watch, I don't think he's done too much long term damage.

What it has shown to me though is that Moshiri needs to get full control of the club and put his own (football) man in charge of things so he doesn't need to get involved so much himself.

 

[Barnfred 55]

History tells us big Sam will not go for it

He did for the cup game though, but I rather think he was quite happy to lose that game so he could concentrate in premier survival.

Shame is we never saw Lookman again and hardly anything of Holgate either.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The fat man is the answer to no football related question

Totally disagree mate. Here's one.

Who is the worst manager in the history of Everton Football Club?

 

[MikeH72]

Everyone goes on about that Southampton game like we can be relegation favourites based on one game performance. Thats crazy. Especially as early as November. Southampton have 4 or 5 good footballers in their line up and are capable of turning it on in isolated games. Happens all the time mate. I remember Stoke turning Man City over on one of tge rare occassions that the Hobbit, Anautovic and Bobin all turned up on the same day.

We had a bad day at the office mate. I reckon I've seen 4 or 5 equally poor perfirmances under Allardyce. The two draws against WBA, given that we were totally outplayed in both games, spring to mind. The only difference is that WBA missed their chances.

As far as the easy run you refer to being half way through, can I remind you that our results in those games were home wins against Watford and West Ham. Away draws with Palace and Brighton and away defeat to, oh yes Southampton.

Jesus Christ. You think we were basing it on a one game performance??? Good grief.

We were 16th. We were getting destroyed left right and centre. We barely had a goal in us that wasn't a penalty and were leaking a minimum of 2 goals every single game.

 

[MikeH72]

If we had even a half decent manager in charge we'd have had 7th pretty much sewn up by now. But I agree no way we're finishing 7th under Allardyce.

Now that would be delusional.

I hate to break this to you, but that team Koeman left us with was a steaming pile of excrement. And it still is for the most part. We are not the 7th best team in this league, we are just another part of the "outside the top 6" pack.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I hate to break this to you, but that team Koeman left us with was a steaming pile of excrement. And it still is for the most part. We are not the 7th best team in this league, we are just another part of the "outside the top 6" pack.

No it wasn't. It was a mismatched group of players, many of them new to the league or young/inexperienced. They were put together with no evidence of plan or structure which left the squad incredibly unbalanced, added to which we had injuries to key players. But the squad still had more talent and ability than 13 other teams in the league. You only have to look at the league now as confirmation of that. We sit comfortably in 9th place, safe from relegation with nearly a quarter of the season remaining, despite having a manager intent on keeping the relegation battle alive.

Despite our latest injuries we still have the capability to achieve 7th. But we won't, simply because the manager isn't good enough.

 

[MikeH72]

No it wasn't. It was a mismatched group of players, many of them new to the league or young/inexperienced. They were put together with no evidence of plan or structure which left the squad incredibly unbalanced, added to which we had injuries to key players. But the squad still had more talent and ability than 13 other teams in the league. You only have to look at the league now as confirmation of that. We sit comfortably in 9th place, safe from relegation with nearly a quarter of the season remaining, despite having a manager intent on keeping the relegation battle alive.

Despite our latest injuries we still have the capability to achieve 7th. But we won't, simply because the manager isn't good enough.

What does that even mean? Are you saying the manager and players have deliberately thrown games to try and keep us in a relegation battle?

Walcott and Tosun coming in along with Coleman and Baines returning to full fitness have made a difference and pulled us away from the mire in the past couple of months. The team we had in the first half of the season had absolutely nothing about it, it was the worst we've had since the 90's and the majority of people on here and supporters at the ground thought so too. Someone like Marco Silva, in my opinion, would've seen that crop of players relegated.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I hate to break this to you, but that team Koeman left us with was a steaming pile of excrement. And it still is for the most part. We are not the 7th best team in this league, we are just another part of the "outside the top 6" pack.

I'd say we're the 8th best to be fair. Probably was about 10th before Walcott joined.

 

[riddick]

Totally disagree mate. Here's one.

Who is the worst manager in the history of Everton Football Club?

Easy, Ronald Koeman