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bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Why is it one or the other mate
The two examples you are using are at the polar opposite of each other
1. Manager who built his entire reputation on making sure that he finishes about the 3 worst teams each season, spent 30 years doing exactly that and never won anything or even come close to developing anything in 20 years. and who the very hiring of is a huge red flag that the club employing him is in a mess.
2. Manager who is regarded as one of the top 4-5 in the game atm. and who every top team needing a manager would have serious interest in.
Option 1 is showing absolutely no ambition whatsoever besides for survival
Option 2 is too ambitious because we are a club struggling to stay in the top 10 the past 4 seasons overall, and you think we should be hiring a manager who Chelsea, United, Bayern etc would have a hard job convincing to leave Athletico.
Being ambitious is what we should be, but being absolutely deluded in what is possible will just see us fail and look as a club amateur.
There is a whole lot of managers in that area between Big Fat Sam and Simeone mate
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Sorry mate but thats frankly a bizarre statement.
It's like saying the rs showed a lack of ambition by going for Klopp when they could have went for Guardiola or Mourinho instead, or Spurs showed lack of ambition by going for Pocch instead of trying to hire Simeone etc.
Do you honestly think that the very top managers, OR the very top players will come to Everton because we offer them the most money, they won't mate, because they have the choice of earning that type of money at a host of other teams, and at ones which are infinitely better run as a club, actually win things.
What you are effectively suggesting is a manager version of the kenwright era fake player bids, by chasing managers who frankly we have 0% chance of hiring no matter what money we offer them.
But if you think we should spend the summer chasing after a manager who signed a new contract about 2 days ago then if we don't get him stay with Allardyce then i'm baffled.
Using that logic also, IF we are not wanting to appear unambitious this summer we need to be putting in bids for the likes of Griezman, Isco, Hazard etc
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
How much cash mate, Simeone already earns around 6m a year, he's on the radar for Arsenal who are paying wenger 9m?
and IF simeone was purely motivated by money - which he would have to have been to come here, then he'd simply go to China where they are paying people like Lippi 20m per year and AVB was earning 12m.
Yeah we should be going for the best.
Unless you want to settle, then you have to try for the best.
Too ambitious?
Here I was spending the last 12 months listening to people say “NSNO means nothing anymore” and I’m being called too ambitious.
Ok let’s be mediocre forever then. Because unless we go for the absolute best that’s all we’ll ever be.
We did that, we got Martinez.
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If we get an inkling that someone like Simeone night come to us then yeah of course go for it.
But people need to be realistic on just what Everton is right now. NSNO is one thing, but years and years of those making decisions for Everton haven’t abided by the motto and to think someone like Diego Simeone, the manager of one of Europe’s top clubs is perhaps a little naive.
But people need to be realistic on just what Everton is right now. NSNO is one thing, but years and years of those making decisions for Everton haven’t abided by the motto and to think someone like Diego Simeone, the manager of one of Europe’s top clubs is perhaps a little naive.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Because all of the ambition HAS to be including the actual reality of the situation and football world we live in and with even a slightest most remote chance of it being achievable mate.
NSNO is a club motto to be aspired too, not one we should think we can click our fingers and instantly achieve it whenever we so wish, it has to be worked on and at, to throw it back at people who say the club should be striving for those levels the way you're doing is IMO anyway a bit baby out with the bath water - because you don't like the way some use the motto to support there points etc.
City without doubt the most ambitious club going atm, and one who have done so with a very clear and long term plan to be the best, did so not by in 2008 hiring Guardiola or Mourinho etc, they did it by a gradual process, Hughes they left in place for one season, then Mancini (whose reputation has never been as close to Simeone for example), then Pelligrini, then finally Guardiola.
Can we get Simeone? - not a chance in hell, should we try - again i would say no, because it doesn't show ambition to try for something you know you will not be able to get, what it does is give a nice story to the press to say 'look we are ambitious' when real ambition is to go for the very best you are able to achieve at that current time - AND get them.
You seem to be of the opinion - if we can't get the very best out there, then why bother to change, my answer would be - because it's called gradual improvement, you get the best you can, that leads to the club improving, next time you go to get something then the bar for what you can attract is higher and so on and so forth.
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