Sam Allardyce

[Carlito]

The only possible scenario where keeping him makes sense would be if there is no summer transfer budget, and the board have decided to simply aim for survival until the new ground is built and they can sell up.

 

[Goat]

The only possible scenario where keeping him makes sense would be if there is no summer transfer budget, and the board have decided to simply aim for survival until the new ground is built and they can sell up.

What a super plan that would be, I wish whoever tried to implement such a scheme the best of luck.

 

[Frang]

What a super plan that would be, I wish whoever tried to implement such a scheme the best of luck.

isn't it already in implementation << what a word that is

 

[jackyboy]

You`d have thought this " last chance " to show the world, that he was more of an ignorant, greedy, hoofballing dinosaur, may have motivated him to try a different approach with us.

Leopards and spots.

I take your point mate. But at the end of the day he's 63 and has been doing what he has been doing for years.

I don't want him here next year at all, but I don't think you can blame him for our own ineptitude throughout this mess of a season.

 

[4737carlin]

The only possible scenario where keeping him makes sense would be if there is no summer transfer budget, and the board have decided to simply aim for survival until the new ground is built and they can sell up.

I can actually see us doing just this

 

[Brownie]

Disappointing to see, yet again, comments from an Everton manager talking about an opposition side as if we don't belong on the same pitch as them.

Slipping dangerously into @davek territory here, but that's something Martinez didn't get enough credit for: he always talked about opponents with respect rather than deference. There was never an inferiority complex. Koeman, and moreso Allardyce, have dragged us all the way back down to approaching games like yesterday's as if we're going to need a miracle to get anything out of it.

 

[tommytowne]

What a super plan that would be, I wish whoever tried to implement such a scheme the best of luck.

Effing hell. Just imagine aiming for 17th place for five years at least.
That would be great fun.

 

[blueblue]

Has he got any supporters at all? Just because some think that Moshiri wont sack him, and dont trust the board to get a good replacement, dosent mean they support Sam.
Im just not convinced he is going, but i do fear if he does who we bring in with Walsh at the club and with the awful squad we have, attracting a decent manager will be harder then we think, its going to be a crappy merry go round manager like Hughes, Silva, Moyes or Pardew

I am not anti Sam as some people are. I don't believe that as a person he is better or worse than any of the other managers in the premiership.

I find the name calling used by some on here offensive and for me it says a lot about the people who use this kind of language to describe another human being over a game of football.

Having said that I think Sam has lost any chance he ever had of staying longer than the end of this season as the manager of Everton.
When he first arrived he was far from being the universal choice of Everton supporters but a lot (me included) were perfectly prepared to give him a chance.
He has failed to galvanise the team and even more so the supporters.
He has failed to present any vision whatsoever about what he thinks the future holds for the club.
He seems more intent on dampening expectation than building it and at Everton that simply will not work.

I think that he simply doesn't get what the club and it's supporters are about and I find that surprising.

This season has been a disaster but last August it was suggested that Everton in season 2017/2018 would be fighting for a top six finish and if things went well , maybe top four. Maybe that was unrealistic but that was the ambition.

The money spent in the last two windows is not the spending of a club happy to be a middle of the road club. It is the spending of a club with ambition. How it was spent(wasted) needs to be analysed and consequences should flow from that.

I don't want Silva and I think Fonseca may be too big a risk.

I would like Emery..if that is possible and I believe that is the level we should be aiming at.

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Give me Martinez back on a five year deal then another year of this monster.

 

[JLW]

I am not anti Sam as some people are. I don't believe that as a person he is better or worse than any of the other managers in the premiership.

I find the name calling used by some on here offensive and for me it says a lot about the people who use this kind of language to describe another human being over a game of football.

Having said that I think Sam has lost any chance he ever had of staying longer than the end of this season as the manager of Everton.
When he first arrived he was far from being the universal choice of Everton supporters but a lot (me included) were perfectly prepared to give him a chance.
He has failed to galvanise the team and even more so the supporters.
He has failed to present any vision whatsoever about what he thinks the future holds for the club.
He seems more intent on dampening expectation than building it and at Everton that simply will not work.

I think that he simply doesn't get what the club and it's supporters are about and I find that surprising.

This season has been a disaster but last August it was suggested that Everton in season 2017/2018 would be fighting for a top six finish and if things went well , maybe top four. Maybe that was unrealistic but that was the ambition.

The money spent in the last two windows is not the spending of a club happy to be a middle of the road club. It is the spending of a club with ambition. How it was spent(wasted) needs to be analysed and consequences should flow from that.

I don't want Silva and I think Fonseca may be too big a risk.

I would like Emery..if that is possible and I believe that is the level we should be aiming at.

How do you make these points, but state in your first sentence "I am not anti Sam"

 

[davek]

Disappointing to see, yet again, comments from an Everton manager talking about an opposition side as if we don't belong on the same pitch as them.

Slipping dangerously into @davek territory here, but that's something Martinez didn't get enough credit for: he always talked about opponents with respect rather than deference. There was never an inferiority complex. Koeman, and moreso Allardyce, have dragged us all the way back down to approaching games like yesterday's as if we're going to need a miracle to get anything out of it.

Dangerously?

 

[billyblue80]

Disappointing to see, yet again, comments from an Everton manager talking about an opposition side as if we don't belong on the same pitch as them.

Slipping dangerously into @davek territory here, but that's something Martinez didn't get enough credit for: he always talked about opponents with respect rather than deference. There was never an inferiority complex. Koeman, and moreso Allardyce, have dragged us all the way back down to approaching games like yesterday's as if we're going to need a miracle to get anything out of it.

This is the crux of it for me if we aren't very careful(appointing an ambitious manager and giving him a remit, making better appointments of CEO and DOF and recruiting more shrewdly) we will continue to go backwards. End up like a permanent bottom ten club that feels it has no hope/and is lucky to get anything off the top six. We should demand more and at least aim for more with money spent and our history, but given Moshiri's 'expected losses' comments and the appointment of Big Sam, I am not hopeful of us halting further decline. Unless there's a shake up from top to bottom in attitude on and off the pitch very quickly, It's a vicious cycle of decline and it's very depressing

 

[billyblue80]

Has he got any supporters at all? Just because some think that Moshiri wont sack him, and dont trust the board to get a good replacement, dosent mean they support Sam.
Im just not convinced he is going, but i do fear if he does who we bring in with Walsh at the club and with the awful squad we have, attracting a decent manager will be harder then we think, its going to be a crappy merry go round manager like Hughes, Silva, Moyes or Pardew

If Fonseca or a candidate of that level isn't available. I'd go for Howe I know it's a punt and I'd obviously prefer more ambitious. But he plays the right way and can build something that might be what we need now, no more shortcuts a rebuild with a defined identity, and a proper coach, it may take two to three seasons, but I think it might anyway with our current squad. With better footballers he could be good. Otherwise it's another foreign punt at least someone from outside may not be as afraid of the big six, but he has to be if the Fonseca level or higher. That cycle is what I am afraid of and it's a cycle that equals decline.

 

[blue61]

As far as I'm concerned, Allardyce was only ever here until the end of the season, hence the guarantee of a 12 month pay off, no doubt coupled with a 'mutual parting of the ways'. I think that's the reason the rest of his backroom staff are only on a 3 month pay off if their contracts are terminated. It's all in place for a new regime, weather the powers that be get that part right is another thing.

 

[ultra]

SSN reporting Craig Shakespeare among the front runners for the WBA job. Elstone going to RFU in June. Walsh job at risk with the Brands linked. Allardyce hopefully being replaced by Fonseca.

Has the penny dropped with Moshiri?