Sam Allardyce

[brieverton]

I thought this survey question was (another) joke at first.

I’d be surprised if anyone on high signed off on it, seems to me like something that comes from admin staff, trying and failing to impress.

It makes us look silly I think. Sam is used to unpopularity and the sack, as much as he is used to nice payoffs. He won’t lose sleep before or after he gets the sack here.

I could have envisaged Kenwright pleading Martinez’ case with Moshiri but when it comes down to it Allardyce will just be tossed aside in a number of weeks. The question is pointless and only succeeds in further undermining whatever little harmony is left at FF between now and the end of the season.

If this thing actually was for real and has Moshiri’s blessing then any confidence I have in him getting it together in a few short weeks is crushed, not due to any sympathy for Sam. Just because it’s plain stupid and unnecessary.

 

[NeutralPie]

I’d be surprised if anyone on high signed off on it, seems to me like something that comes from admin staff, trying and failing to impress.

I very much doubt that. You don't send out a mass email asking fans to appraise the boss unless it's been signed off from the very top. Not unless you are hell bent on collecting your P45 the next day.

 

[canuckblue]

They're reporting this survey as a main story on the BBC site now. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43804196

I don't really know why Everton need to do this. I've been signed up to this site since yesterday, and it took me 5 minutes to see how unpopular Big Sam is. And I guarantee you the board already knew he wasn't popular, if I knew (and I'm not an Everton fan), then the board who have invested millions MUST know.

Kinda feel bad for Big Sam here, feels like they are undermining him, he came in, largely shored up the defence when Everton were shipping goals like it was Christmas, comfortably guided them to safety with plenty of games to go, okay the football might not have been great but I'm not sure what anyone could have expected in 4 and a half months?

I just don't think he is the devil.

If they want to sack him, then sack him, but I don't think they need to humiliate him as well. But maybe they want him to resign to save a few quid?

He made the rod for his own back, mate, with his dismissive attitude toward Everton supporters wanting him out as being "a minority of 15 on the Internet" or some such drivel. He's acted like he's singlehandedly saved us from the drop, convenientlly forgetting we were 13th when he took over, not in the drop zone.

 

[NeutralPie]

He made the rod for his own back, mate, with his dismissive attitude toward Everton supporters wanting him out as being "a minority of 15 on the Internet" or some such drivel. He's acted like he's singlehandedly saved us from the drop, convenientlly forgetting we were 13th when he took over, not in the drop zone.

Okay, but Allardyce has always been a bit cocky, a bit brash, it's just part of his character. So he's always gonna play down any discontent, even if he knows otherwise. You can't really expect him to say "yeah, I know 90% of them want me out, it gets me down but I just have to muddle on despite everything". Just wouldn't be him to say something like that, plus it wouldn't inspire much confidence with his staff or players if he starts displaying his insecurities in public.

I dunno, would you rather some meek guy, who's gonna cower every time he gets a bit of criticism?

 

[canuckblue]

Okay, but Allardyce has always been a bit cocky, a bit brash, it's just part of his character. So he's always gonna play down any discontent, even if he knows otherwise. You can't really expect him to say "yeah, I know 90% of them want me out, it gets me down but I just have to muddle on despite everything". Just wouldn't be him to say something like that, plus it wouldn't inspire much confidence with his staff or players if he starts displaying his insecurities in public.

I dunno, would you rather some meek guy, who's gonna cower every time he gets a bit of criticism?

I'd rather someone who told the truth, not someone calling a lucky draw at Swansea -- Swansea, FFS!! -- "a battling point." We didn't battle the whole game and should have been twatted by three or four. I would rather someone who doesn't assert his stint at Everton is "already a success" because we avoided a relegation that was never really on the cards. He knew the Everton job was the biggest one he'd ever get, one that gave him a chance to shed the label of "survival specialist" and show he could move a team forward with some attacking nous. He has failed. Abjectly and completely.

 

[ultra]

Just seething about the sports summary on Sky News. They referred to the survey and said Allardyce has "guided Everton to 9th. They were in relegation trouble when he took over"


If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes a truism...

 

[Big Fat Sam]

Relegation ffs. The horrible cart has spun it beautifully. Will take credit for us finishing 8 places higher than his goal was, which was 17th and safety.

 

[NeutralPie]

I'd rather someone who told the truth, not someone calling a lucky draw at Swansea -- Swansea, FFS!! -- "a battling point." We didn't battle the whole game and should have been twatted by three or four. I would rather someone who doesn't assert his stint at Everton is "already a success" because we avoided a relegation that was never really on the cards. He knew the Everton job was the biggest one he'd ever get, one that gave him a chance to shed the label of "survival specialist" and show he could move a team forward with some attacking nous. He has failed. Abjectly and completely.

C'mon, he had to sort that defence out. You can't expect many people to turn you into a great attacking force AND guarantee survival in that short time frame. Everton were shipping a ridiculous amount of goals before he arrived, in Europe and domestically with some shocking results. And yeah, Everton won 3-0 or something against West Ham the day or day after he was appointed, but his appointment did seem to give everyone a lift. You can choose not to give him credit for that win, that's your right, but I'm not sure if Unsworth could have got that reaction on his own. Their heads looked like they were down before he arrived, you didn't look like a cohesive unit whatsoever, and you were hovering just above the relegation zone. But maybe anyone could have saved Everton, and it wouldn't have mattered if it was Tony Pulis, Mick McCarthy or Joe Kinnear taking over, we don't know, but to me it did look like Everton were in serious trouble before he arrived. But you'd probably know better.

The common wisdom seemed to be that you'd sold your biggest goal threat, not replaced him, and you had a scatter gun approach in the transfer market with some technically good players, but it just wasn't gelling and it could have gone very bad... in the absence of a cohesive unit.

He's done okay, give him that at least!

 

[sageyefc]

C'mon, he had to sort that defence out. You can't expect many people to turn you into a great attacking force AND guarantee survival in that short time frame. Everton were shipping a ridiculous amount of goals before he arrived, in Europe and domestically with some shocking results. And yeah, Everton won 3-0 or something against West Ham the day or day after he was appointed, but his appointment did seem to give everyone a lift. You can choose not to give him credit for that win, that's your right, but I'm not sure if Unsworth could have got that reaction on his own. Their heads looked like they were down before he arrived, you didn't look like a cohesive unit whatsoever, and you were hovering just above the relegation zone. But maybe anyone could have saved Everton, and it wouldn't have mattered if it was Tony Pulis, Mick McCarthy or Joe Kinnear taking over, we don't know, but to me it did look like Everton were in serious trouble before he arrived. But you'd probably know better.

The common wisdom seemed to be that you'd sold your biggest goal threat, not replaced him, and you had a scatter gun approach in the transfer market with some technically good players, but it just wasn't gelling and it could have gone very bad... in the absence of a cohesive unit.

He's done okay, give him that at least!

Sorted the defence out? He's done no such thing, we concede just as many as we did before hippo head turned up. Another myth

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

C'mon, he had to sort that defence out. You can't expect many people to turn you into a great attacking force AND guarantee survival in that short time frame. Everton were shipping a ridiculous amount of goals before he arrived, in Europe and domestically with some shocking results. And yeah, Everton won 3-0 or something against West Ham the day or day after he was appointed, but his appointment did seem to give everyone a lift. You can choose not to give him credit for that win, that's your right, but I'm not sure if Unsworth could have got that reaction on his own. Their heads looked like they were down before he arrived, you didn't look like a cohesive unit whatsoever, and you were hovering just above the relegation zone. But maybe anyone could have saved Everton, and it wouldn't have mattered if it was Tony Pulis, Mick McCarthy or Joe Kinnear taking over, we don't know, but to me it did look like Everton were in serious trouble before he arrived. But you'd probably know better.

The common wisdom seemed to be that you'd sold your biggest goal threat, not replaced him, and you had a scatter gun approach in the transfer market with some technically good players, but it just wasn't gelling and it could have gone very bad... in the absence of a cohesive unit.

He's done okay, give him that at least!

He just stuck 11 men behind the ball, hardly rocket science.

 

[billyblue80]

C'mon, he had to sort that defence out. You can't expect many people to turn you into a great attacking force AND guarantee survival in that short time frame. Everton were shipping a ridiculous amount of goals before he arrived, in Europe and domestically with some shocking results. And yeah, Everton won 3-0 or something against West Ham the day or day after he was appointed, but his appointment did seem to give everyone a lift. You can choose not to give him credit for that win, that's your right, but I'm not sure if Unsworth could have got that reaction on his own. Their heads looked like they were down before he arrived, you didn't look like a cohesive unit whatsoever, and you were hovering just above the relegation zone. But maybe anyone could have saved Everton, and it wouldn't have mattered if it was Tony Pulis, Mick McCarthy or Joe Kinnear taking over, we don't know, but to me it did look like Everton were in serious trouble before he arrived. But you'd probably know better.

The common wisdom seemed to be that you'd sold your biggest goal threat, not replaced him, and you had a scatter gun approach in the transfer market with some technically good players, but it just wasn't gelling and it could have gone very bad... in the absence of a cohesive unit.

He's done okay, give him that at least!

Ok isn't enough. He doesn't want to win matches at home to big teams or away from home. The football is overly negative and diabolical, his public statements are disgusting. We will go nowhere under him. He has no business being at the club next season.

 

[Connor]

C'mon, he had to sort that defence out. You can't expect many people to turn you into a great attacking force AND guarantee survival in that short time frame. Everton were shipping a ridiculous amount of goals before he arrived, in Europe and domestically with some shocking results. And yeah, Everton won 3-0 or something against West Ham the day or day after he was appointed, but his appointment did seem to give everyone a lift. You can choose not to give him credit for that win, that's your right, but I'm not sure if Unsworth could have got that reaction on his own. Their heads looked like they were down before he arrived, you didn't look like a cohesive unit whatsoever, and you were hovering just above the relegation zone. But maybe anyone could have saved Everton, and it wouldn't have mattered if it was Tony Pulis, Mick McCarthy or Joe Kinnear taking over, we don't know, but to me it did look like Everton were in serious trouble before he arrived. But you'd probably know better.

The common wisdom seemed to be that you'd sold your biggest goal threat, not replaced him, and you had a scatter gun approach in the transfer market with some technically good players, but it just wasn't gelling and it could have gone very bad... in the absence of a cohesive unit.

He's done okay, give him that at least!

'Sort that defence out'

 

[NeutralPie]

Sorted the defence out? He's done no such thing, we concede just as many as we did before hippo head turned up. Another myth

Everton conceded 28 in the PL in your first 14 games (I've included the clean sheet against West Ham)

In the 20 games he's been in charge, Everton have conceded 26.

So you've conceded less goals in a lot more matches under Big Sam.

And not even including that West Ham game, you are actually joint 6th on points with Burnley in the Premier League from the day he took over. Ahead of Arsenal who are in 8th.

 

[billyblue80]

I don't think it shows Mosh is clueless at all he is actually being very smart. He knows Sam isn't liked, he knows changes are needed throughout the club, CEO, DOF, Kenwright. He is getting a mandate to make the changes.

 

[sageyefc]

Everton conceded 28 in the PL in your first 14 games (I've included the clean sheet against West Ham)

In the 20 games he's been in charge, Everton have conceded 26.

So you've conceded less goals in a lot more matches under Big Sam.

And not even including that West Ham game, you are actually joint 6th on points with Burnley in the Premier League from the day he took over. Ahead of Arsenal who are in 8th.

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