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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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mkrudden said:
I agree until the point about Baines and Jagielka.

It's just an opinion but I think both are at least worthy of a place in the squad, Baines as a starter.

Look around the PL, how many full backs are there that are definitely better than Baines?

Mendy? Yes
Utd don't have one.
Alonso? Nah.
Alberto Moreno? Not a chance.
Milner? Nope
Danny Rose yes is a better full back.
Bertrand too.

But that's it. Baines just isn't as good as he was. Just life / age.
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3 or 4 years ago maybe but now you must be kidding.

Antonio Valencia
Danny Rose
Alonso
Azpilupeza
Bertrand
Walker
Mendy
Trippier


Thats just of the top of my head from the top teams, Baines was a brilliant player, but his age has caught up to him
 
Toffeelover said:
It is but Baines is not upto it now IMO. Noticed number of times when he goes up the wing struggles to get back. Even Martina is faster. But come Jan, do think Garbutt should be given at least one chance.
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I'd agree with Garbutt being given a chance.
I just find it hard to judge Baines negatively when the landscape of the team has changed so much since his golden seasons.
I cannot for the life of me understand why Martinez nor Koeman made it a priority to go out and replace Pienaar. Someone to get the best out of Baines.
Defensively you're right but again where is his protection?
Just find it all bizarre that ever since Pienaar we've played maverick wingers in front of Baines who don't track back defensively and offensively never give him the ball.
 
TheBigBaldy said:
3 or 4 years ago maybe but now you must be kidding.

Antonio Valencia
Danny Rose
Alonso
Azpilupeza
Bertrand
Walker
Mendy
Trippier


Thats just of the top of my head from the top teams, Baines was a brilliant player, but his age has caught up to him
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Left backs mate.
 
mkrudden said:
i disagree here mate.

Going essentially 4-4-2 at Leicester with a high line was absolutely horrendous.
Going to an away EL game without Rooney, our best player, was suicide.
As you say, chopping and changing the side.
Rooney benched for the Palace game which was crying out for someone to put their foot on the ball.

He didn't really have much to his set up other than work hard. And credit, they did work harder.

Hopefully he comes back in the future / at another club a better manager for it all. But I maintain, tactically he was pretty poor.
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I'm not saying he's a tactical genius either like. But in his first game against Chelsea in the LC we played it cagily first half and it wasn't working and so we played more open second half and were the better team; similarly, we played better against Leicester second half after the game was almost beyond reach. I think he drew the conclusion that if we start on the front foot earlier in games we give ourselves half a chance.

As said, I'm not of the view he was our next permanent manager. I'm looking at this from the perspective of what comes next after Allardyce (and that ,will be the summer, IMO). And given the points we picked up in the PL under DU we could have saved ourselves another disruptive dugout change and some cash by sticking with him - and he'd have been in a far more credible position with his players than he was allowed to be by the board who handed him a cleft stick.
 
mkrudden said:
I agree until the point about Baines and Jagielka.

It's just an opinion but I think both are at least worthy of a place in the squad, Baines as a starter.

Look around the PL, how many full backs are there that are definitely better than Baines?

Mendy? Yes
Utd don't have one.
Alonso? Nah.
Alberto Moreno? Not a chance.
Milner? Nope
Danny Rose yes is a better full back.
Bertrand too.

But that's it. Baines just isn't as good as he was. Just life / age.
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Alonso is class mate, works his socks off, proper team player and weighs in with some very important goals.

I'd have him here in a heart beat.
 

davek said:
I'm not saying he's a tactical genius either like. But in his first game against Chelsea in the LC we played it cagily first half and it wasn't working and so we played more open second half and were the better team; similarly, we played better against Leicester second half after the game was almost beyond reach. I think he drew the conclusion that if we start on the front foot earlier in games we give ourselves half a chance.

As said, I'm not of the view he was our next permanent manager. I'm looking at this from the perspective of what comes next after Allardyce (and that ,will be the summer, IMO). And given the points we picked up in the PL under DU we could have saved ourselves another disruptive dugout change and some cash by sticking with him - and he'd have been in a far more credible position with his players than he was allowed to be by the board who handed him a cleft stick.
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The biggest issue with the Allardyce appointment is in relation to where go after him.

Say he stabilises the club (the defence in particular) and we get to next summer or whenever and it's agreed he moves on.

Do we stay with that type of manager? A Dyche?

Or are we going to return to a more technical, possession based manager? If so, Moshiri has to then back him unlike he did Martinez.
 
COYBL25 said:
Alonso is class mate, works his socks off, proper team player and weighs in with some very important goals.

I'd have him here in a heart beat.
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Ey fair play to you. I don't see it personally but I was a "Kane is a one season wonder" idiot a few seasons back.

Agreed generally though, we should be looking at replacing Baines. I do though think we will see a good season from him from now on as Allardyce will tuck him in closer to the CBs.
 
mkrudden said:
The biggest issue with the Allardyce appointment is in relation to where go after him.

Say he stabilises the club (the defence in particular) and we get to next summer or whenever and it's agreed he moves on.

Do we stay with that type of manager? A Dyche?

Or are we going to return to a more technical, possession based manager? If so, Moshiri has to then back him unlike he did Martinez.
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Martinez was virtually out of the door when Mosh was getting his feet under the table and as we all know now, was eyeing up a new manager but we got saddled with RK who I think was not the first choice.
 
mikeh72 said:
Bertrand
Davies Nope
Rose Yep
Alonso Meh
Mendy yep
Kolasinac forgot him, good shout
Brady don't be daft
Chilwell based on?
Gibbs I know you're joking on that one.
Robertson nah.

2017 Baines is pretty crap mate, but I'd rip your arm off for him in place of Big Cuco at the weekend.
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My views above mate.
 

mkrudden said:
The biggest issue with the Allardyce appointment is in relation to where go after him.

Say he stabilises the club (the defence in particular) and we get to next summer or whenever and it's agreed he moves on.

Do we stay with that type of manager? A Dyche?

Or are we going to return to a more technical, possession based manager? If so, Moshiri has to then back him unlike he did Martinez.
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Yep. That's defo the nub of it mate. What is our identity to be?

We've gradually tip-toed back to hiring managers who adopt a long ball approach a lot of the time - something we were meant to ditching.

Laughably this is what a DoF is there to avoid - drastic changes in style - but he's brought his mate in!

Shambles.
 
davek said:
The *problem* with the Unsworth experiment was that he was undermined from the outset by the board not simply handing him the job till the season's end. Those players were of the mind after a couple of reversals that they didn't need to put it in every game 100% because they were saving themselves to impress the new boss when they eventually arrived.

If he;d have been given full board backing and not undermined the players would have done a lot better. It wasn't down to tactics with Unsworth as much as swapping and changing line ups...and that was down to having to play these EuroDisney cup matches. He came in and even under that handicap got us 7 points from 5 games.

Appointing and backing Unsworth would have done us until the summer. We'd have been safe enough. Employing Allardyce just means another pay out in June and another manager for next season. A complete waste of time and money.
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The players appeared to want Unsworth as manager & if the teamhad performed he would have been in the position longer as there would have been no pressure to appoint somebody.

Therefore their poor performance on the pitch makes me believe tactics were part of the issue.
 

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