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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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blueblue said:
I think that is fair comment, but if Brands does come in then I think he may have a big say in recruitment.
I think that Sam is seen at most as a manager for one more season(if that) then I think Moshiri will be slow to spend huge amounts on players that Sam alone wants.
I think Brands arriving may actually make it easier to keep Sam for another season as it gives Brands time to settle in and assess the players as well as find a longer term manager.

I think we may find that very few of the academy/ young players actually become long term regulars in a good Everton team.
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A few people have said that Brands would prefer Allardyce to stay on to give him a chance to get his feet under the table. Personally I don't see that for the simple reason is they have contrasting football ideology. Moshiri won't want to waste any more money buying players to suit Allardyce's playing style so if we keep Sam, we're basically heading for a whole year of stagnation. The fans won't accept that.

Nobody knows for certain about the young players as we don't know how they're going to progress. There are two things we know for certain. We have never had a such a large group of young players, so highly thought of, come through at the same time. And if Allardyce stays as manager, he will not see developing that group of players as one of his priorities.

The other thing is, as we move forward with a hopefully, "good" Everton team, we will need a large squad to cope with the additional exertions of European football. Only the very top clubs are able to juggle the very best players in large squads, so these young lads don't all need to develop into first choice starters in order to stay at Everton. Some of them may well be valued squad players and as long as they're well paid and getting 20ish games a season they should be relatively happy.

If we bring in a new manager who has developing young players high in his list of priorities, I would not be surprised if players like Holgate, Feeney, Gibson, Kenny, Banningime, Davies, Lookman, Dowell, Vlasic, Onyekuru and Calvert Lewin are part of our squad in 5 years time, with at last 3/4 of them holding down regular starts. Obviously it's highly unlikely that ALL of them will make it, but what I would say is that, with the right coaching and management, they each have a decent chance.
 
Gladystweet said:
Or maybe, he won't get the assurances he wants, and storms out. Not too much of a storm like, just enough to ensure his pay off.

Or maybe, he's going to tell Mosh what's what, give him a wedgie and sign a lucrative ten year contract.

Nothing surprises me with this lot.
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He's been around the block too many times to throw a strop,he'll keep towing the party line until he gets the amount his agent tells him is the going rate.
 

Barnfred 55 said:
A few people have said that Brands would prefer Allardyce to stay on to give him a chance to get his feet under the table. Personally I don't see that for the simple reason is they have contrasting football ideology. Moshiri won't want to waste any more money buying players to suit Allardyce's playing style so if we keep Sam, we're basically heading for a whole year of stagnation. The fans won't accept that.

Nobody knows for certain about the young players as we don't know how they're going to progress. There are two things we know for certain. We have never had a such a large group of young players, so highly thought of, come through at the same time. And if Allardyce stays as manager, he will not see developing that group of players as one of his priorities.

The other thing is, as we move forward with a hopefully, "good" Everton team, we will need a large squad to cope with the additional exertions of European football. Only the very top clubs are able to juggle the very best players in large squads, so these young lads don't all need to develop into first choice starters in order to stay at Everton. Some of them may well be valued squad players and as long as they're well paid and getting 20ish games a season they should be relatively happy.

If we bring in a new manager who has developing young players high in his list of priorities, I would not be surprised if players like Holgate, Feeney, Gibson, Kenny, Banningime, Davies, Lookman, Dowell, Vlasic, Onyekuru and Calvert Lewin are part of our squad in 5 years time, with at last 3/4 of them holding down regular starts. Obviously it's highly unlikely that ALL of them will make it, but what I would say is that, with the right coaching and management, they each have a decent chance.
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This i why i think Fonseca would be a very very good choice, he improves players, can work without a budget, plays attacking football, not sure if it any good with youngster but he less likely to sell them
 
MrGrumpy said:
Well I've just listen to the latest Royal Blue podcast....................They should name it the We love Sam Allardyce podcast, that confirmed to me what I've been thinking for a while that they are all in fact Reds. It got worse and worse as it went on. If you guys want a good rage then i suggest you listen to it.

At one point Gavin (the Red) Buckland says, One of Sams points about either David Unsworth or Peter Kenyon was justified
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keeping Allardyce means keeping Everton firmly in their place and that suits the red echo just fine.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
A few people have said that Brands would prefer Allardyce to stay on to give him a chance to get his feet under the table. Personally I don't see that for the simple reason is they have contrasting football ideology. Moshiri won't want to waste any more money buying players to suit Allardyce's playing style so if we keep Sam, we're basically heading for a whole year of stagnation. The fans won't accept that.

Nobody knows for certain about the young players as we don't know how they're going to progress. There are two things we know for certain. We have never had a such a large group of young players, so highly thought of, come through at the same time. And if Allardyce stays as manager, he will not see developing that group of players as one of his priorities.

The other thing is, as we move forward with a hopefully, "good" Everton team, we will need a large squad to cope with the additional exertions of European football. Only the very top clubs are able to juggle the very best players in large squads, so these young lads don't all need to develop into first choice starters in order to stay at Everton. Some of them may well be valued squad players and as long as they're well paid and getting 20ish games a season they should be relatively happy.

If we bring in a new manager who has developing young players high in his list of priorities, I would not be surprised if players like Holgate, Feeney, Gibson, Kenny, Banningime, Davies, Lookman, Dowell, Vlasic, Onyekuru and Calvert Lewin are part of our squad in 5 years time, with at last 3/4 of them holding down regular starts. Obviously it's highly unlikely that ALL of them will make it, but what I would say is that, with the right coaching and management, they each have a decent chance.
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What would be the point of keeping Allardyce, when Brands is an expert in buying young hungry players, Sam doesn't play younger players unless he has to.
 

MrGrumpy said:
This i why i think Fonseca would be a very very good choice, he improves players, can work without a budget, plays attacking football, not sure if it any good with youngster but he less likely to sell them
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To be honest mate I'm not really for or against anybody at this stage (apart from the obvious few dinosaurs of course). What I want to see is our club structured in a way where we have a preferred style of playing football, and we bring in a DOF and manager/head coach committed to playing that style. We need to bring in players suited to that style and put a youth structure in place to do the same. The new manager/coach needs to be committed to bringing through youth because that is really the only way we are going to compete at the top level. We just don't have the financial clout to bring in the best established players. Ideally, the style of football we play will be high tempo and relatively attacking. That's the only thing that get's the Goodison crowd off it's arse.

I don't really care who the manager is as long as he fits into that structure. We may have to take a risk, but I would rather do that than carry on the way we are.
 
remember when Souness was summoned by the board and was apparently going to be sacked by the RS? The likes of Rush coming out in the previous few days saying maybe its for the best etc.

Souness walked out of that meeting with a new contract...
 

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