Sam Allardyce

[Eggsyblueskin]

These are just assumptions. The fact that many fans believe them doesn't make them true. Allardyce knows the score. Everyone from Moshiri and Kenwright down will have told him that this is a club with big expectations, the aim in future seasons isn't to reach 40 points or mid-table, it's to become a club that can win trophies again. Sam's said as much himself in interviews. He knows he has to shoot higher if he wants to keep the job. And he's not going to achieve that unless he creates a team that keeps the ball better, that attacks with pace, that creates more chances. If Allardyce stays I think it's likely we will see changes in the style of play next season.

The point isn't that Allardyce is some great saviour. It's this : Martinez, Koeman and Unsworth all had to go because they were failing, they were unable to stop a downward spiral of performances and results. The case that you're making here against Allardyce is a weaker one : you're saying he's not the right man to take us forward in the future. That's not to say you're wrong, ambitious clubs do have to make big calls, maybe this is one of them. But it's all about risk, and guesswork. You can't prove how an Allardyce team would perform in the future, any more that you can prove that a so-called "top manager" would succeed at Everton.

You can make an educated assumption by studying his past record. It's common practice to assess candidates for any position on their available history. Sam has been managing long enough to have an extensive past record available to reach a well informed prediction based on his past performances.
Based on this I do not think he is capable of taking us any higher than the position we currently occupy.

 

[Khalekan]

This whole we'd be sixth thing is utter nonsense. We wouldn't be sixth because we'd lose every game to the top six and not get enough away points. Sure he's stabilised the team but this trumpeting of an extrapolation of results for three quarters of a season over whole season, ignores our tough start featured many of the top six we had numerous injuries and the fact that we've been out of every cup for quite a few months. I'd eat my hat if Sam got us to sixth.

This nonsense is being promoted to a level where it is being regarded as some sort of meaningful yardstick to justify his continued employment here.

It is like thst other great nonsensical thing......showing league tables based on “calendar year” football.

It is like sommat you would see on RAWK.

 

[Albro]

I'd be over the moon to see him replaced with a younger, more energetic manager who embraces a style of play that is based off ball retention, passing and actually attempting to create chances.

If Allardyce stays, he needs to adapt to exactly that (minus the young), or it won't work. At this stage, his entire philosophy is unacceptable, boring and disgusting.

The results improved because he benefited from an improving Sigurdsson, a returning Coleman and two quality signings.

Happy for the sack to prove me wrong, but I'd rather not be proven wrong, Id rather he and this entire season disappear and be erased from any reference to Evertons history (in future).

 

[Lob]

He’s saying if you reset the league table when Sam came in we’d be 6th which is true. But I see what you’re saying

Yep, the point i am making is that is where we would have been if Sam had been in charge at the start of the season based upon his performance in the matching fixtures of the same season. Seasons only have one starting point which isn't when Sam shows up after you have had one of the toughest starts in premier league history and benefit from the acknowledged new manager bounce after your new team had just won 4 - 0 to get you kick started.

 

[meagher94]

Yep, the point i am making is that is where we would have been if Sam had been in charge at the start of the season based upon his performance in the matching fixtures of the same season. Seasons only have one starting point which isn't when Sam shows up after you have had one of the toughest starts in premier league history and benefit from the acknowledged new manager bounce after your new team had just won 4 - 0 to get you kick started.

I hate the fact people are using that stat anyway, like it’s some achievement. That “since Sam took over” table has us 4 points ahead of Arsenal but with them having 2 games in hand. An Arsenal who’ve been absolutely woeful since the turn of the year.

Christ, give bisto a 10 year contract

 

[Joey66]

Yep, the point i am making is that is where we would have been if Sam had been in charge at the start of the season based upon his performance in the matching fixtures of the same season. Seasons only have one starting point which isn't when Sam shows up after you have had one of the toughest starts in premier league history and benefit from the acknowledged new manager bounce after your new team had just won 4 - 0 to get you kick started.

Our opening fixtures were very hard plus the Europa intertwined qualification rounds too, squad was inadequate hence Koeman paid the price Unsworth in his short period had a better points tally in his period than Sam did when he played any big team, and our results slumped!
All stats that do not hide the dire crap Sam has served up hoof ball and the spend in January, plus the return of our best fullbacks !
One stat is we are 19th in the Prem for - lack of shots on goal- lack of shots on target- lack of players who dribble the ball past an opposition team!
You or Sam can dress it up any way it really is - it's never free flowing footballl, as imo Sam has not ever produced teams like that!
So any amount of future funds on the squad with him and his team at the helm will set the club back in the future!

 

[EFCPaul]

I'd be over the moon to see him replaced with a younger, more energetic manager who embraces a style of play that is based off ball retention, passing and actually attempting to create chances.

If Allardyce stays, he needs to adapt to exactly that (minus the young), or it won't work. At this stage, his entire philosophy is unacceptable, boring and disgusting.

The results improved because he benefited from an improving Sigurdsson, a returning Coleman and two quality signings.

Happy for the sack to prove me wrong, but I'd rather not be proven wrong, Id rather he and this entire season disappear and be erased from any reference to Evertons history (in future).

We had some that in Martinez and look how that went. Just because a manager is nice to look at in his suit and talks a good game doesn't automatically mean they deserves big jobs like ours.

I want a new manager as well but I don't care what his style of play is as long as he goes into games of football with an action plan, brings in and uses the correct players to implement it and knows when to change things around if needs be. If you offered me Allardyce or going back to Martinez and his persistent tippy-tappy crap I'd hand Sam a 5 year deal because watching that dross was even worse if you ask me.

Winning football matches is all that matters, style is overrated.

 

[4737carlin]

I hate the fact people are using that stat anyway, like it’s some achievement. That “since Sam took over” table has us 4 points ahead of Arsenal but with them having 2 games in hand. An Arsenal who’ve been absolutely woeful since the turn of the year.

Christ, give bisto a 10 year contract

They haven't won away in 2018, on a side note this is why it's crazy some think Wenger be a good replacement. 2 crap teams who have been poorly managed and fell short on what shpuld be there league ambitions

 

[billyblue80]

We had some that in Martinez and look how that went. Just because a manager is nice to look at in his suit and talks a good game doesn't automatically mean they deserves big jobs like ours.

I want a new manager as well but I don't care what his style of play is as long as he goes into games of football with an action plan, brings in and uses the correct players to implement it and knows when to change things around if needs be. If you offered me Allardyce or going back to Martinez and his persistent tippy-tappy crap I'd hand Sam a 5 year deal because watching that dross was even worse if you ask me.

Winning football matches is all that matters, style is overrated.

But he isn't a winner.

 

[EFCPaul]

But he isn't a winner.

I know he's not, least not on the big stage, but he's not a bonafide loser either. Moyes for me became on, at least in the final few years. Martinez undoubtedly was, yes his teams were capable of the odd big result but he took Wigan down and people shouldn't ever forget just because of a cup win. Koeman was a winner, at least in spirit, because he DEMANDED success and took action when it wasn't delivered. Ultimately he was let down by Walsh's buys and and his own mistake of just never allowing a team to settle and work itself out.

My point is I refuse to rewrite history like many others are doing by saying this is the worst football we've ever seen at Everton or that this manager is worst we've ever had to put up with. It's not even close to being the case on either point.

 

[ilikecheese]

But he isn't a winner.

Won the FA Cup with a very bad Wigan team.

 

[Joey66]

I know he's not, least not on the big stage, but he's not a bonafide loser either. Moyes for me became on, at least in the final few years. Martinez undoubtedly was, yes his teams were capable of the odd big result but he took Wigan down and people shouldn't ever forget just because of a cup win. Koeman was a winner, at least in spirit, because he DEMANDED success and took action when it wasn't delivered. Ultimately he was let down by Walsh's buys and and his own mistake of just never allowing a team to settle and work itself out.

My point is I refuse to rewrite history like many others are doing by saying this is the worst football we've ever seen at Everton or that this manager is worst we've ever had to put up with. It's not even close to being the case on either point.

Or we have never had such an expensive inadequate squad paying millions for it, Sams been in a privalaged position yet the football is dire boring dirge!
Our youth system has imploded a bit too!
Many players put on loan Lookman for instance wants to stay away!

 

[Joey66]

We had some that in Martinez and look how that went. Just because a manager is nice to look at in his suit and talks a good game doesn't automatically mean they deserves big jobs like ours.

I want a new manager as well but I don't care what his style of play is as long as he goes into games of football with an action plan, brings in and uses the correct players to implement it and knows when to change things around if needs be. If you offered me Allardyce or going back to Martinez and his persistent tippy-tappy crap I'd hand Sam a 5 year deal because watching that dross was even worse if you ask me.

Winning football matches is all that matters, style is overrated.

Post when we beat a top six team!

 

[MrGrumpy]

These are just assumptions. The fact that many fans believe them doesn't make them true. Allardyce knows the score. Everyone from Moshiri and Kenwright down will have told him that this is a club with big expectations, the aim in future seasons isn't to reach 40 points or mid-table, it's to become a club that can win trophies again. Sam's said as much himself in interviews. He knows he has to shoot higher if he wants to keep the job. And he's not going to achieve that unless he creates a team that keeps the ball better, that attacks with pace, that creates more chances. If Allardyce stays I think it's likely we will see changes in the style of play next season.

The point isn't that Allardyce is some great saviour. It's this : Martinez, Koeman and Unsworth all had to go because they were failing, they were unable to stop a downward spiral of performances and results. The case that you're making here against Allardyce is a weaker one : you're saying he's not the right man to take us forward in the future. That's not to say you're wrong, ambitious clubs do have to make big calls, maybe this is one of them. But it's all about risk, and guesswork. You can't prove how an Allardyce team would perform in the future, any more that you can prove that a so-called "top manager" would succeed at Everton.

I can he will fail. Every job he’s been sacked Newcastle and West Ham he spent years at both and got no where.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Rooney's comments about Allardyce are cringeworthy. Lets have a closer look at this particular one for instance:

Wayne Rooney on criticism of Sam Allardyce: “He’s thick-skinned and I’m sure he’ll keep doing what he does, but I think he’s got the full support from the team and since he’s come in, we’d be 6th in the league if that was the start of the season.”

So we would be 6th in the league if it was the start of the season then. A comment that is doing the rounds and being repeated. Lets see if it has substance.

Everton's first 7 premiership games of this season where:

Stoke, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Man U, Bournemouth, Burnley,

So lets have a look at our results from them 7 teams when Allardyce played them

Stoke - Won 2 - 1
Man City - Lost 3 - 1
Chelsea - Drew 0 - 0
Spurs - Lost 4 - 0
Man U - Lost 2 - 0
Bournemouth - Lost 2 - 1
Burnley - Lost 2 - 1

7 games, 1 win, 5 losses, 1 draw

That is 4 points out of the possible 21.

That my friends would have put us 20th and bottom of the table after the first 7 games of the season.

Nope, it does not have any substance whatsoever.

The best bit of that fake table is Arsenal have 2 games in hand and Chelsea 1, If Arsenal win both we are back to 7th