Sam Allardyce

[Khalekan]

I almost clicked "like" on this, then remembered what we were talking about!

Go ahead and click, windy

It is the comment you are liking....not the sentiment

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not quite what the Huddersfield manager said on MOD. He said they were beaten by the quality of Everton, and said it twice. In the rush to trash Sam don't let anything stand in your way.

In fairness, what he was referring to there was Everton had quality where it mattered, i.e. in front of goal. Had Huddersfield shown the same level of quality in those area's we could very easily have been 2 or 3 down before we even scored our first.

It ended up as a routine away win (if there is such a thing for Everton these days) but let's not kid ourselves it was anything better than half decent performance against probably the worst squad of players in the Premier.

I'm not trashing Sam by the way. Any away win in the premier is at least half decent and he's managed 3 this season.

 

[captainvindaloo]

Nominated for Manager of the month haha - we should have known that was coming.

I guess a draw at home to Liverpool where we didn't have a shot, a draw away at struggling Swansea, a win at Newcastle with hardly any shots on target and a win at Huddersfield that made me want to put bleach in my eyes is enough to be nominated these days.

Jesus Wept

Who needs Jesus when you have Allardyce? Saviour of the mediocre, saving football's fallen since 1991! We are so blessed.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The worse thing about this media love in is the players are getting called garbage by the media, as Allardyce has done an amazing job with what he’s given, when really it’s the players have done an amazing job with the manager they been given. We have quality in our team. Last 2 games with had a total of 3 shots on target and all 3 where goals, that’s why where 8th, not because of Sam

I wouldn't go that far mate. Most of the players have under performed this year, for each of the managers. They're not getting a free ride from me. You could argue that it's their fault that we were lumbered with a manager like Allardyce in the first place.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Is it the Dixie's tonight? Be interesting to see what sort of reaction he gets

 

[GwladysBlue]

Is it the Dixie's tonight? Be interesting to see what sort of reaction he gets

He’ll be applauded. Only happy-clappers go to them sort of events.

 

[Barnfred 55]

If he does stay then it shows Moshiri is clueless in terms of the need to have the fanbase on side.

There is no way BFS can win the fans back over at this point....so we'll be in exactly the same position next season as we were this, and that will be unforgivable

Given the number of quality managers expected to be available this summer, it will be a dereliction of duty if Moshiri does not do his best to get one of them landed. If we just go with Allardyce and accept the mediocrity this brings, then he doesn't deserve to have the future of this club entrusted to him.

Everybody going to the game this weekend who feels this way, need to make their views heard or at least noticed. I still believe a mass walk out before the end of the game is one way to do this as I know a lot (me included) are not comfortable booing.

 

[windymiller]

He’ll be applauded. Only happy-clappers go to them sort of events.

I can't understand why anyone would pay money to go to a back-slapping event after the season we've had. Imagine how bad your home life must be if going to see Elstone given Der Biggest Bloo Ever trophy or whatever it's called is a better option!

 

[funkygibson]

Exactly. Because his source is a member/members of staff at the club, they hear things and pass it to him. Point is, injury timescales, managerial decisions etc... they can change. I’m just praying that’s the case again here with Allardyce.

It makes sense to me that the staff would assume he’s staying put, as they probably wouldn’t have been told otherwise. What’s more telling for me is that nothing definitive seems to have come from the meeting he had with Moshiri. I still don’t think he seems fully convinced himself that he’s staying - something still tells me he’ll be gone.

Yes they can change but I would imagine the thoughts of moshiri and his closest allies regarding the managerial position change on a daily basis.
I’m aware that the coyb itk does get many things correct on the playing and coaching side of things but realistically if his source is a member of allardyces coaching set up then I would imagine if he’s been told by said source that, as far as we’re concerned we’re here next season then that is probably because at any informal discussions/meetings that have been had between board members and coaching staff, the coaching staff have been told something along the lines of “we’re all happy with the way things are going and a top half finish will be a bonus, keep it up”. Is moshiri, ryazantsev or whoever really going to tell them anymore than that? I doubt it particularly when they haven’t backed him since last weeks formal meeting in London

 

[Aries]

Sums it up perfectly. They’re laughing their t!its off and badly want him to stay. Tells you everything

 

[MikeH72]

The worse thing about this media love in is the players are getting called garbage by the media, as Allardyce has done an amazing job with what he’s given, when really it’s the players have done an amazing job with the manager they been given. We have quality in our team. Last 2 games with had a total of 3 shots on target and all 3 where goals, that’s why where 8th, not because of Sam

I'm very sorry to have to break this to you Grumps, but our players are actually not good at all.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I don't think it needs to acrimonious, but it seems like it will be

As far as results go, he's generally not done too badly. That's really as far as it goes, although it's the most important element

The rhetoric has been skin crawling, the football has been dire and the level of ambition shown has been depressing - it has felt like he has been trying to drag our expectation levels down to enable him to be measured as a success by the standard he himself is defining

The results haven't actually matched the performances - we've out-performed based on the stats we can see about the number of chances we have created etc

As a rescue job, he's done fine since the mission was to stabilise us and get us as high up the league as possible

To warrant us giving him another season, he needed to show that he's capable of doing more than just grinding out enough. He has failed to do that and his track record doesn't really give any cause for optimism that this would be the case

If he was happy to go quietly, we could all probably thank him for a job relatively well done, but that extra year on his contract that he negotiated (somewhat understandably) and his weekly mutterings about plans for next season mean that this will probably all end in tears

 

[Khalekan]

He’ll be applauded. Only happy-clappers go to them sort of events.

Well, you wouldn’t expect anyone to be booed at the Dixies, happy clappers or not.

Half hearted applause for Allerdyce should be the height of it.

We all had a right laugh at the RS when Wee Reem was booed and jeered as he collected his award

 

[blueblue]

GOODBYE?

?

 

[Khalekan]

I don't think it needs to acrimonious, but it seems like it will be

As far as results go, he's generally not done too badly. That's really as far as it goes, although it's the most important element

The rhetoric has been skin crawling, the football has been dire and the level of ambition shown has been depressing - it has felt like he has been trying to drag our expectation levels down to enable him to be measured as a success by the standard he himself is defining

The results haven't actually matched the performances - we've out-performed based on the stats we can see about the number of chances we have created etc

As a rescue job, he's done fine since the mission was to stabilise us and get us as high up the league as possible

To warrant us giving him another season, he needed to show that he's capable of doing more than just grinding out enough. He has failed to do that and his track record doesn't really give any cause for optimism that this would be the case

If he was happy to go quietly, we could all probably thank him for a job relatively well done, but that extra year on his contract that he negotiated (somewhat understandably) and his weekly mutterings about plans for next season mean that this will probably all end in tears

I can’t believe I am writing this but in a sense Sam has been a victim of his own “success”.

If the team had struggled on through December and we kept losing we would have been in a genuine relegation fight and it would not have been of Sam’s making.

Then a procession of bore draws and 1-0 victories from January onwards which were edging us away from the drop zone would have been regarded totally differently by us because needs must.

He would be a genuine hero right now

But.

As we now know the team was not as bad as the results had been and with one bound we were free as his first win, versus Huddersfield, coupled with Unsie’s win over Hammers a few days earlier had lifted us into the top half.....and we have stayed there ever since.

Sam isn’t being judged on his initial brief, which was to secure our EPL place.

That was mission accomplished in my eyes by the time Santa arrived.

Sam is being judged on what we have seen since he sent the team out at Baggies on Boxing Day.

And that judgement is rightly very, very harsh.