Sam Allardyce

[thebluenosebolt]

Vitor Pereira might be available and I recall he had a massive support base here on GOT back when we were discussing Moyes' replacement. I don't know much about him but hope he is our next manager.

Haha....zackly !! He sounds ace. No experience but a wonderfully exotic name we can get behind ...until we go behind....then he would be the next Frank de Boer...lovely name, [Poor language removed] in this league.

 

[deipnosophist]

How much experience in this league does he have ??
He may be our answer....50-50 isnt it ??. I would prefer a manager who has managed in this league and beaten most top sides with a poorer team. Eddie Howe is a clever hardworking manager, who has stayed in this league and fought ALL ...lets not forget we have now had two foreign managers who would of had us down...possibly...nearly..and all of us were eating paella or stroopwafel whilst cheering for two months and hating them the rest.
Why is Eddie Howe such a joke ??

Vitor hasn't managed in the PL. @roydo tells me he's currently managing in China so I think it unlikely he'll see us as an attractive alternative.
Eddie Howe? I haven't expended any thought on. Done a good job at B'mouth I guess. Would he want to leave them for us? I doubt it.

 

[captainvindaloo]

Oh Christ people aren’t still on about him are they?

Kenwright: "We're sorry to see Sam leaving us."
Crowd: Hoorah!!! Cheers!
Sounds of happy laughter and champagne corks popping.
Kenwright:"Please give a big welcome to our new manager, Eddie H-"
Crowd:Booooooooooo!
Sounds of sombre groans, crying and champagne bottles smashing on the floor.

 

[Smudgerton]

Please, please, can those going to the game tomorrow make their feelings known if, like I am, you are completely against this man being associated with our club. I’m quite sure Moshiri is going to make the right decision at the end of the season but let’s be sure.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

 

[paulf]

Please, please, can those going to the game tomorrow make their feelings known if, like I am, you are completely against this man being associated with our club. I’m quite sure Moshiri is going to make the right decision at the end of the season but let’s be sure.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

We will mate wether we get in with banner is another matter as last home game got consficated before turnstile as son forgot to tell me he had booze in back pack.

 

[evertony]

Please, please, can those going to the game tomorrow make their feelings known if, like I am, you are completely against this man being associated with our club. I’m quite sure Moshiri is going to make the right decision at the end of the season but let’s be sure.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.

I shall be doing exactly that. Lap of appreciation....my arse. If everyone gets off at 85 mins it will send a message.
For what it’s worth the pressure needs to be on Moshiri as Allardyce doesn’t make the decision. Moshiri is in serious threat of losing the fans support before he’s completely got it - keeping such an unpopular and terrible-fit of a manager will be his downfall. I don’t believe he realises the discord many, many fans are feeling with the Club. Personally, I just don’t agree with having a crook at the helm of the same Club that has the splendid EITC ....they are complete polar opposites and Everton is about Us....you, me and other Blues.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

I know who it isn't. Eddie 'kin Howe.

I had a comment here but someone already made it better than me:

Eddie Howe can get rar in the bin.

 

[Barnfred 55]

So, being playful, you want to take a risk, but not much. And we cant get a proven manager.

But the manager we have will guarantee a mid table finish. Or maybe 7th.

So how about giving the incumbent manager a new target? And the players, to target top end/pot?

Cos if I was the owner, with the opportunities on offer, never in a million years would I start lobbing contracts at unproven, risky, non PL schooled managers.

As a fan, I would love the combo of Fonseca/Brands experiment. The worse that could happen to me would be watching Everton in the Championship.

But that wouldnt cost me a bean.

That is so not what I said Roydo. By playful I presume you meant playing with my words and coming up with a total misrepresentation.

Any new manager has an element of risk to it. Even staying with Allardyce has an element of risk, which is why I said 7th to 17th. The other risk with keeping Allardyce is the risk of losing thousands of season ticket holders because of the quality of football.

If I was the owner, I would first look at the incumbent manager and what he has achieved this season. I will have seen a manager who had an excellent start, and therefore a base to prove to me he is the manager to take Everton on to the next level and challenge the top 6. But he didn't. He preferred to continue to fight a relegation battle that we weren't even in. At one stage we were 3 points behind Burnley in 7th. Any decent manager would have had us in Europe next season.

When I talk about top managers I'm talking the likes of Simeone and managers of that ilk. There are many managers between him and Silva who we could conceivably attract with our project and the salary on offer. FFS Allardyce is the 10th highest paid manager in world football and I feel sick to the stomach every time I write that. The only reason I mentioned Silva in my post was because of the post I was replying to was about him.

But let's stick with Silva. If our ambition as a club is to challenge the top 6, which I and the vast majority of Evertonians believe it should be, then a manager with the football philosophy of Sam Allardyce is not the way to go. In fact, I can't think of many British managers who do have the right philosophy. We don't have the financial clout to force our way in so we need to think outside the box. Martinez had the right idea, but he didn't have the coaching ability to implement it properly. But his philosophy was spot on. We need a DOF (whether that be Brands I don't know) who can come up with the right plan and then build our coaching and playing staff around that plan.

Silva is more likely to fit that plan than Allardyce. 100%. Is he good enough to challenge the top 6?, I'm not sure, but there's a massive difference between not breaking into the top 6 and getting relegated. Is Fonseca, or Emery or AVB or Tuchel or Rangnik or Santo good enough? Who knows?. None of them have had any prior success in the premier league. But I doubt any of them will get us relegated which is what everyone seems to be frightened of.

The one thing I do know. Allardyce will not impact on the top 6. Will any of the others?. Possibly. But it's very unlikely that they will do any worse than Allardyce.

And if Moshiri thinks that settling for mid table survival is good enough for Evertonians then he'll soon find out it's not.

 

[Gladystweet]

I shall be doing exactly that. Lap of appreciation....my arse. If everyone gets off at 85 mins it will send a message.
For what it’s worth the pressure needs to be on Moshiri as Allardyce doesn’t make the decision. Moshiri is in serious threat of losing the fans support before he’s completely got it - keeping such an unpopular and terrible-fit of a manager will be his downfall. I don’t believe he realises the discord many, many fans are feeling with the Club. Personally, I just don’t agree with having a crook at the helm of the same Club that has the splendid EITC ....they are complete polar opposites and Everton is about Us....you, me and other Blues.

Should be the other way round. We all get on the pitch and do a lap of honour, they can get in the stands. Let them helmets applaud us for putting up with this turd of a season.

They really don't deserve us.

 

[Smudgerton]

I shall be doing exactly that. Lap of appreciation....my arse. If everyone gets off at 85 mins it will send a message.
For what it’s worth the pressure needs to be on Moshiri as Allardyce doesn’t make the decision. Moshiri is in serious threat of losing the fans support before he’s completely got it - keeping such an unpopular and terrible-fit of a manager will be his downfall. I don’t believe he realises the discord many, many fans are feeling with the Club. Personally, I just don’t agree with having a crook at the helm of the same Club that has the splendid EITC ....they are complete polar opposites and Everton is about Us....you, me and other Blues.

Whilst I disagree that Moshiri is a crook (most rich people are but that’s another political debate) I do agree some of the noise needs to be towards him. Not in a negative way but in a ‘don’t you dare allow this man another season/day at our club’ way.

 

[evertony]

This “we’ll take 8th again next season” guff needs stamping out. We need to look at what Leicester did with an average squad but a manager who played to their strengths, built incredible spirit and stuck two fingers up to the usual top 4-5 contenders and showed them zero respect home and away.

 

[roydo]

I will have seen a manager who had an excellent start, and therefore a base to prove to me he is the manager to take Everton on to the next level and challenge the top 6. But he didn't. He preferred to continue to fight a relegation battle that we weren't even in. At one stage we were 3 points behind Burnley in 7th. Any decent manager would have had us in Europe next season.

I was being playful mate.

And that ^^^^^ was the most annoying bit about his tenure here.

 

[Barnfred 55]

He should have stuck with Bobby, then.

That was his vision.

Certainly sticking with Bobby woukd hav



No it didn’t.

CL qualification was out of the question by the time that match came around.

Nor was there any doubt we would finish 5th.

Spurs had played earlier that day and their failure to win made our game of no consequence to final league positions.

So it was all right for people to want City to win.....your “bafflement” was uncalled for.

FFS.....it is bad enough here already and the CL final build up is just starting.....imagine trying to live among the buggers had actually they won the EPL

You may well be right about the CL league places Khal. I can't remember. But as a fan I want us to win every game. Period. I never want us to lose.

 

[evertony]

Whilst I disagree that Moshiri is a crook (most rich people are but that’s another political debate) I do agree some of the noise needs to be towards him. Not in a negative way but in a ‘don’t you dare allow this man another season/day at our club’ way.

The crook reference was squarely on the shoulders of Fat Sam not Moshiri.

 

[Gladystweet]

This “we’ll take 8th again next season” guff needs stamping out. We need to look at what Leicester did with an average squad but a manager who played to their strengths, built incredible spirit and stuck two fingers up to the usual top 4-5 contenders and showed them zero respect home and away.

The only difference between next season and any other season, is now we're admitting we're setting the bar low.

We're admitting to fans that just existing is perfectly acceptable. I think we can forget about any outside possibility of winning a cup, or even competing with an attitude like that.

Sad sad times.