Sam Allardyce

[Gladystweet]

Ok here's one for you transfers close of the season take place after the world cup usually - p-lenty of time to serch for a ideal new manager also

I've already found him mate. He's Portuguese, a zodiac, and a dream boat.

 

[Gladystweet]

when it comes to things Everton and their utter ineptness, if you didn't laugh, you'd cry

I'm all out of tears mate.

 

[evertony]

I am currently feeling a lot of d words towards Everton, disillusioned, disenchanted, despairing, disenfranchised. I have felt all these things before over the years but one I have never felt before is a growing feeling of distance that I find disturbing.

I think many feel genuinely just like that. I do after 40+ years STH....this manager and dare I say it this owner just don’t fit Everton.
The light at the end of the tunnel could be looking what happened at City....false dawns with Shinawatra and then kabooooom

 

[Gladystweet]

I am currently feeling a lot of d words towards Everton, disillusioned, disenchanted, despairing, disenfranchised. I have felt all these things before over the years but one I have never felt before is a growing feeling of distance that I find disturbing.

Dumbfounded. Don't forget dumbfounded.

 

[deipnosophist]

With his little helper Grass the Elf and his edgy haircut, homesickness and sh1te guitar.

Bainesy scrubs up as a pretty credible elf as well. Tubby Ashley's a fat pixie and, in pantomime fashion, all the kids at the orphanages they visit shout out at him "the yolks on you" (mainly because it's literally the case...he scoffs his full English breakfast down so quickly his pixie outfit is splattered with egg yolk).
Most of the rest of the team just dress as fairies...they look and play the part well

 

[devo85]

That is so not what I said Roydo. By playful I presume you meant playing with my words and coming up with a total misrepresentation.

Any new manager has an element of risk to it. Even staying with Allardyce has an element of risk, which is why I said 7th to 17th. The other risk with keeping Allardyce is the risk of losing thousands of season ticket holders because of the quality of football.

If I was the owner, I would first look at the incumbent manager and what he has achieved this season. I will have seen a manager who had an excellent start, and therefore a base to prove to me he is the manager to take Everton on to the next level and challenge the top 6. But he didn't. He preferred to continue to fight a relegation battle that we weren't even in. At one stage we were 3 points behind Burnley in 7th. Any decent manager would have had us in Europe next season.

When I talk about top managers I'm talking the likes of Simeone and managers of that ilk. There are many managers between him and Silva who we could conceivably attract with our project and the salary on offer. FFS Allardyce is the 10th highest paid manager in world football and I feel sick to the stomach every time I write that. The only reason I mentioned Silva in my post was because of the post I was replying to was about him.

But let's stick with Silva. If our ambition as a club is to challenge the top 6, which I and the vast majority of Evertonians believe it should be, then a manager with the football philosophy of Sam Allardyce is not the way to go. In fact, I can't think of many British managers who do have the right philosophy. We don't have the financial clout to force our way in so we need to think outside the box. Martinez had the right idea, but he didn't have the coaching ability to implement it properly. But his philosophy was spot on. We need a DOF (whether that be Brands I don't know) who can come up with the right plan and then build our coaching and playing staff around that plan.

Silva is more likely to fit that plan than Allardyce. 100%. Is he good enough to challenge the top 6?, I'm not sure, but there's a massive difference between not breaking into the top 6 and getting relegated. Is Fonseca, or Emery or AVB or Tuchel or Rangnik or Santo good enough? Who knows?. None of them have had any prior success in the premier league. But I doubt any of them will get us relegated which is what everyone seems to be frightened of.

The one thing I do know. Allardyce will not impact on the top 6. Will any of the others?. Possibly. But it's very unlikely that they will do any worse than Allardyce.

And if Moshiri thinks that settling for mid table survival is good enough for Evertonians then he'll soon find out it's not.

Great Post......

I don't understand this "be careful what you wish for" attitude. Football is all about taking risks. With this poor league and our squad there is no way one of the mentioned "realistic" European managerial targets like Silva or Fonseca would get us anywhere near relegation.

For supporters of a club that has spent the most seasons in top flight football to be using the worry of relegation as an excuse in the appointment of a new manager or the cause for continuing a current unpopular managers contract is mind blowing!!!!!

 

[evertony]

Bainesy scrubs up as a pretty credible elf as well. Tubby Ashley's a fat pixie and, in pantomime fashion, all the kids at the orphanages they visit shout at at him "the yolks on you" (mainly because it's literally the case...he scoffs his full English breakfast down so quickly his pixie outfit is splattered with egg yolk).
Most of the rest of the team just dress as fairies...they look and play the part well

And the Mighty Keane is mistaken for a red-faced cherubic 5 year old in the audience frightened to ask his Mum if he can go for a wee mid-show.

 

[deipnosophist]

And the Mighty Keane is mistaken for a red-faced cherubic 5 year old in the audience frightened to ask his Mum if he can go for a wee mid-show.

He always has to face the toilets; if the bog's behind him, he wets himself everytime...because it takes him so long to turn.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Aiming for 8th is a disgrace and he knows it, the fat whopper is on his way out and is popcorning the hell out of us whilst he still has chance.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I need an ITK to lie to me and cheer me up a bit.

He’s not getting sacked.

Your welcome

 

[Simon Buttle]

I think many feel genuinely just like that. I do after 40+ years STH....this manager and dare I say it this owner just don’t fit Everton.
The light at the end of the tunnel could be looking what happened at City....false dawns with Shinawatra and then kabooooom

Whilst im starting to agree more and more with these views, our previous man in charge was the self confessed "biggest evertonian in the world" and was so out of his depth whilst in charge at times. If Bill had to sit the fit and proper persons test now, he would not be allowed anywhere near the club simply based on the fact he does'nt have the resources to run a football club. Im not sure who is the right man, i do think when new owners come into clubs and the FA or Premier League (whoever it is) are making their checks, i think part of any purchase of a club should be a business plan and what they intend to do with that club. Is that person going to come in and asset strip or are they going to come in and push FFP to the limits by buying a shedload of players on stupid wages.

 

[Goat]

He’s not getting sacked.

Your welcome

 

[Barnfred 55]

Depends if we can get a better manager in. If we can we should get rid of him.

What, or rather who, do you call a better manager. I suspect thats where our opinions differ.

 

[windymiller]

I thought this was interesting but I don't think Occam's razor can be applied here. Occam's razor is about identifying the most parsimonious explanation, relying on the smallest number of assumptions.

Point 1. It's a coincidence. (assumption 1)

Point 2: We know that these clubs were in trouble, and that they appointed Allardyce. They appointed him because they were in trouble (assumption 1 though it is odd to say it) with structural problems (assumption 2) which continued after he left (assumption 3).

Point 3: Involves additional assumptions about squad building (assumption 1) and whether the problem is recognised in time by the new manager (assumption 2).

You may well be right in practice but not because of Occam's razor. (And I still don't want Allardyce.)

That is only true if all coincidental events are considered as one assumption. I think it is more reasonable to consider each club as an individual data point. Bolton going into financial and sporting decline is/isn't down to Allardyce - assumption 1, Blackburn following suit, he is/is not responsible - assumption 2 etc... I stand by my original thesis.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Hearts and minds............

I've heard some whoppers in my time but that beats all.