Sam Allardyce

[DualityNSNO]

I too would go with pragmatism every time to get the win. Especially with the team we have at the moment. I don't have any issue with that at all.

I don't see us playing fancy stuff once we are "safe", but keeping on going in the most effective manner possible for points accumulation under BS. It's the only thing he has going for him to keep the job. It would be nice to think that somewhere over the horizon, a decent footballing side is being assembled - maybe it will, maybe it won't, I guess that'll be what keeps him on beyond his current contract if that is even a possibility.

Only 3 games in mind against 2 bad teams and a jammy draw, so I shouldn't be getting too far ahead of myself.

Nor am I, but people are going way OTT with that debate.

Asked before, but gonna try again - hypothetically, if we were to appoint Simeone and not Sam when we did, would people be fawning all over our "amazing direct play" and crap like that, provided both play the same/similar types of football and had gotten the same results? Do you* expect Simeone was gonna go all out dominating against teams? Hell naw, he was gonna do the same - tight at the back, fast going forward. Problem is our players aren't very good at that (or very limited, to say the least, right now), so it's not pretty at all.

My bet is "defo yes", cuz he's foreign and that. If he was Douglas Simon he'd be labelled as Fat Sam mk. II in England ffs!

 

[heatmeiser]

Can't see it mentioned in any of today's posts in this thread, so what are people's thoughts on him supposedly sitting everyone down and asking them if they want to be part of Everton's immediate future.
Guardian reckons this has happened so he knows what positions to target in January.

Is it a good thing a leader of men has to ask, or should a good manager know already?

That's not strictly what the one to one meetings are about. It's just a new manager meeting his players. I imagine it's quite common for decent managers to individually meet their players.

 

[Yarrgh]

To be honest this was pretty much the RK approach too.

Alas, it wasn't too effective under RK at the end. Time will tell if BS can keep it up.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Reporter: "Do you agree with Alan Shearer et al when they say that Mike Ashley has been holding Newcastle back?"

Allardyce: "No"

Sam has said previously that Rafael expects too much because he can't expect hundreds of millions because Newcastle aren't a big club like Everton

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Rafael-benitez-could-not-ask-13585221

“Of course he openly said you can’t compete with Manchester City, as much as the fans would want them to - because there’s a lot up them up there - they can’t compete with Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea even perhaps Everton, certainly not Liverpool. Financially they just can’t get there; you have to do the best you possibly can with what you get.

lollollol

 

[Allezfan]

Nor am I, but people are going way OTT with that debate.

Asked before, but gonna try again - hypothetically, if we were to appoint Simeone and not Sam when we did, would people be fawning all over our "amazing direct play" and crap like that, provided both play the same/similar types of football and had gotten the same results? Do you* expect Simeone was gonna go all out dominating against teams? Hell naw, he was gonna do the same - tight at the back, fast going forward. Problem is our players aren't very good at that (or very limited, to say the least, right now), so it's not pretty at all.

My bet is "defo yes", cuz he's foreign and that. If he was Douglas Simon he'd be labelled as Fat Sam mk. II in England ffs!

Simeone is defo an argentine Tony Pulis.

But not going to lie, I'd be more patient with him than Pulis/allardyce/moyes and their ilk just cos he's got the trophies in his pocket and they don't.

 

[Yarrgh]

Nor am I, but people are going way OTT with that debate.

Asked before, but gonna try again - hypothetically, if we were to appoint Simeone and not Sam when we did, would people be fawning all over our "amazing direct play" and crap like that, provided both play the same/similar types of football and had gotten the same results? Do you* expect Simeone was gonna go all out dominating against teams? Hell naw, he was gonna do the same - tight at the back, fast going forward. Problem is our players aren't very good at that (or very limited, to say the least, right now), so it's not pretty at all.

My bet is "defo yes", cuz he's foreign and that. If he was Douglas Simon he'd be labelled as Fat Sam mk. II in England ffs!

I think Diego would have gotten a much easier ride with his rep than BFS. Both by us and the media. In fact, isn't that exactly how he sets up Atletico? He's an arch pragmatist.

 

[blue62]

Is it a good thing a leader of men has to ask, or should a good manager know already?

I think you're being rhetorical, but without talking to the players, how else does Sam (or anyone for that matter) find out what they're really thinking? It hardly marks him out as the next Pep, but I'd have just thought it was a common sense thing to do given the fact he's only been in the job 5 minutes. I've also no doubt he probably has a pretty good hunch but if he'd said 'I've spoken to the Tea Lady, Walshy and Big Dunc and have made my transfer plans accordingly, you'd be the first to call for his head.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Simeone is defo an argentine Tony Pulis.

But not going to lie, I'd be more patient with him than Pulis/allardyce/moyes and their ilk just cos he's got the trophies in his pocket and they don't.

In Spain though. Watch any Atletico vs. Real match from recent times to see how utterly ugly the football is, they've just got one or two of the world's top 10 footballers to literally carry them forward.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I think Diego would have gotten a much easier ride with his rep than BFS. Both by us and the media. In fact, isn't that exactly how he sets up Atletico? He's an arch pragmatist.

Yup, exactly, but he's Diego Simeone, not Douglas Simon (or Sam Allardyce in this case), so his ride would be massively easier, even if the results weren't really up to it.

 

[Jonte]

Can't see it mentioned in any of today's posts in this thread, so what are people's thoughts on him supposedly sitting everyone down and asking them if they want to be part of Everton's immediate future.
Guardian reckons this has happened so he knows what positions to target in January.

Is it a good thing a leader of men has to ask, or should a good manager know already?

IMHO, Tommy, auxiliaries such as this and employing a sports psychologist are just add-ons to con us all into believing that Alladyce has turned over a new leaf and become like the new breed of manager, with the intention of making his appointment seem more palatable.

However, as we saw on Sunday, the truth is he’s merely reverted to type, just as I’d predicted a couple of weeks ago. I expect he’s eager to get his paws on that bonus for keeping us up; likewise his exit for me can’t come soon enough.

He’s not fooling me.

 

[Nymzee]

In Spain though. Watch any Atletico vs. Real match from recent times to see how utterly ugly the football is, they've just got one or two of the world's top 10 footballers to literally carry them forward.

Watched them vs Betis at the weekend they were soooo negative but won 1-0. I love it personally.

 

[Allezfan]

In Spain though. Watch any Atletico vs. Real match from recent times to see how utterly ugly the football is, they've just got one or two of the world's top 10 footballers to literally carry them forward.

Yeah but his ugly football has worked at the highest level. Allardyce, Pulis etc. always hit a wall.

I'm all for pragmatism but well if you're judging purely by results, allardyce doesn't get you as high up the league as other managers.

I think bringing in sam was a wise move but I expect and want him to keep us up this year and then leave us in the summer.

He's not the manager to win you trophies. So yeah, I'd be more patient for Simeone. Because his ugly football has produced better results.

 

[Allezfan]

Yup, exactly, but he's Diego Simeone, not Douglas Simon (or Sam Allardyce in this case), so his ride would be massively easier, even if the results weren't really up to it.

I think saying it's cos he's foreign is wrong. Like when one guy is a two times champions league finalsit and the other is a one times league cup finalist, the nationality is not the only difference.

Look at the rimming Graham Potter's been getting, for instance.

 

[Nymzee]

I think saying it's cos he's foreign is wrong. Like when one guy is a two times champions league finalsit and the other is a one times league cup finalist, the nationality is not the only difference.

Look at the rimming Graham Potter's been getting, for instance.

You could argue though he's produced better results with his style because he has better players to carry it out. I'm sure Allardyce might pick up more wins with Atletico's back 4 then he had at West Ham.

 

[Allezfan]

You could argue though he's produced better results with his style because he has better players to carry it out. I'm sure Allardyce might pick up more wins with Atletico's back 4 then he had at West Ham.

Simeone's bought that team, though. Atletico were struggling before he took over.

They were no better off than Newcastle was when Allardyce came there.