Sam Allardyce

[Harryflashman]

WE WERE NEVER GOING TO GO DOWN!!!!!!!!

I think it’s great how you knew , brilliant how people have an actual ability to predict the future it’s amazing . Look mate I understand People can obviously be really confident that’d Not have had an issue , some of us think we might have struggled but how it’d have played out is clearly up for debate either way .

Personally I think we were dire . I can’t say we would have gone down but I think we were in trouble and at that Southampton game we looked to be drifting , we looked lost and the players looked to have given in . Shambolic was a word that sprung to mind , I’m not saying we needed Sam but we needed something to change . if I had millions invested in the club I’d have been looking for a change and to bring in someone to steady the ship .

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

All that tells me is that you've fallen massively for the big sam media love in and drop in expectation, that's outrageous mate seriously.

Well you carry on deluding yourself about this squad.

 

[Kenshin]

WE WERE NEVER GOING TO GO DOWN!!!!!!!!

I disagree.

Said this before so I will paraphrase but what we needed was a no risk manager to come in to steady us up. Not necessarily allardyce but someone to stop the suicidal performances.

It a easy to say we would never have gone down now but people forget how bad we were and how badly we leaked goals every week. Atalanta went 2 months between wins, both hammering us. We were leaking 2 goals every game, that is relegation form whether it's October or march.

The best case scenario back then would have Been a steady manager who was not afraid to venture forward when we were steady. Who I don't know, just not pardew.

 

[matty1878]

Inabit FS today’s the last time we have to see you in blue... shut the door on your way out

 

[BernieWright13]

Grand mate, i was just giving context on why the comparison is different.

I disagree with that general philosophy as surely the idea of recruiting a manager is to have one who is successful and be there for a long period of time. As such i reject the idea of its just part of the game etc.

I know where you are coming from, that argument can be a dangerous one to, as a premise that was actioned at WBA, Stoke and Southampton this year. I am not saying its all or nothing, im just raising the content as it applies for Everton.

I think the compensation issue is one that cant be underestimated, put it this way, the level of compensation we will have paid to managers in three years, will probably eclipse the debt we would have historically had under the Kenwright years for about 15 years. I think its an issue that cant be minimised.

Not sure we can compare club outgoings over the last 3 years with 15 prior as per your final para. Premier League club income/'inflation' within the game has changed so radically over the period. How much did a bang average player (for example), cost over the earlier 15 year period vs the last 3 I wonder.

 

[BernieWright13]

From a purely business perspective, this starts with keeping Allardyce.

Thankfully, we are not 'purely' a business

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Well you carry on deluding yourself about this squad.

I've already said that most of them have underperformed and plenty of them aren't good enough. It's absurd to the extreme to suggest that a manager of Guardiola's quality couldn't get them playing better football though.

 

[Deckard2049]

I think it’s great how you knew , brilliant how people have an actual ability to predict the future it’s amazing . Look mate I understand People can obviously be really confident that’d Not have had an issue , some of us think we might have struggled but how it’d have played out is clearly up for debate either way .

Personally I think we were dire . I can’t say we would have gone down but I think we were in trouble and at that Southampton game we looked to be drifting , we looked lost and the players looked to have given in . Shambolic was a word that sprung to mind , I’m not saying we needed Sam but we needed something to change . if I had millions invested in the club I’d have been looking for a change and to bring in someone to steady the ship .

Pretty sure people have been saying all season that West Brom and Southampton are too good to go down. One of them is going down and the other has survived by the skin of their teeth. In contrast, all the promoted clubs from last year are staying up, most miraculously Huddersfield who are definitely not a typical premier league club. No-one outside the top 6 is too good to go down.

People acting like we weren’t in serious trouble are kidding themselves. We got battered comfortably by the aforementioned Southampton side FFS. We were an embarrassment in Europe. Even our comeback victories against Bournemouth and Watford were highly fortunate. Honestly that Watford game was so so important, and if we’re all honest we were incredibly lucky Watford had to thrown on an atrocious reserve goalkeeper and that cleverly bottled it at the end.

We still probaly had enough to climb the table, but if a few games hadn’t very fortuitously gone our way things would have been very different.

 

[magicjuan]

Pretty sure people have been saying all season that West Brom and Southampton are too good to go down. One of them is going down and the other has survived by the skin of their teeth. In contrast, all the promoted clubs from last year are staying up, most miraculously Huddersfield who are definitely not a typical premier league club. No-one outside the top 6 is too good to go down.

People acting like we weren’t in serious trouble are kidding themselves. We got battered comfortably by the aforementioned Southampton side FFS. We were an embarrassment in Europe. Even our comeback victories against Bournemouth and Watford were highly fortunate. Honestly that Watford game was so so important, and if we’re all honest we were incredibly lucky Watford had to thrown on an atrocious reserve goalkeeper and that cleverly bottled it at the end.

We still probaly had enough to climb the table, but if a few games hadn’t very fortuitously gone our way things would have been very different.

Fortuitous. Thank the lord the fat fraud brought his rabbit's foot, obviously having eaten the rest of the rabbit.
This same guile he had to make other team's fixtures get harder in blocks...oh how the stars line up for us this year.
Thank god this season is almost over, been the worst I can remember in over 50 years...

 

[thevorpalblade]

Has Sam travelled with the team today?

 

[mightymoyes]

Has Sam travelled with the team today?

Of course, all you can eat buffet at the hotel

 

[ADT]

No wingers but at least there's no Bolasie

 

[Timhowardsswearbox]

Go away Allardyce!

Woah, calm down fella. No need for that kind of vitriol.

 

[Neiler]

Not sure we can compare club outgoings over the last 3 years with 15 prior as per your final para. Premier League club income/'inflation' within the game has changed so radically over the period. How much did a bang average player (for example), cost over the earlier 15 year period vs the last 3 I wonder.

Its comparative to inflation in management costs now though, we wouldn't have been paying managers 5 million a year either. For example probably the most unpopular manager in the history of Everton will be paid 6 million next year for not working. The figure is probably closer to ten if you include his coaches. Koeman will get his final five milion.

So if the figure is conservatively is 15 million in the calendar year for mangers contracted to Everton in the last three years and not working. In reality its probably closer to 20-25 million if you take into account a new manager will have to be paid and his back room team. So that just in and around 15-20% of our whole turnover. We had a profit of 30 million last year, largely of the back of the Lukaku sale. When you actually break it down its significant in eating into turnover and profit. Materially that closes scope on what can be invested to drive a much needed improvement.

 

[ProZ]

I’m so excited I could piss, hopefully this is his last.