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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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Sam has been able to improve our defensive performances. To be honest, we were terrible before and are not that much better now. Both midfield and attack await development - but that may have to wait until January.

We have seen a remarkable change of fortune which has brought better results. Combined with the arrival of the new manager, the confidence of the players has soared.

It's a little early to proclaim BFS as the new Messiah. His reign has certainly got off to a good start. Looking at the quality of the teams in the Premier League, we should certainly rise above halfway - but we are miles and miles behind the Top Six. There is little that Sam can do to close the gap.
 
Done all right Sam hasn't he ?
Just go back a couple of weeks to a chat you were having with Roydo





I think you should bow to Roydo's superior football knowledge just after you bow to Allardyce from taking us away from the relegation pack.

:coffee:

Obviously, now I've said that, we'll get absolutely battered by Chelsea and lose to bloody Bournemouth and / or the Baggies !
I think anyone in the immediate aftermath of the 4-1 defeat at S'ton would have been questioning the players ability to get us clear. But Unsworth's last outing secured a 4-0 victory and he oversaw a jump of a few places in the PL. That allows me to assert that Allardyce came into a settling situation.

There's no question in my mind that if Unsworth had been made manager after Koeman left the players would have been determined to impress him as much as they have been to impress Allardyce. The board threw Unsworth in at the deep end with weights attached to his feet: inheriting Koeman's failure signings, a load of EL dead matches and expecting him to gain control of rebellious players when taking them on a game-to-game basis. DU struggled impressively with that load and did as well as could be expected. BTW, Allardyce now claiming that West Ham result as his own does a disservice to a feller who'll be remembered at Everton when he's long forgotten as an embarrassing detour.
 
I don’t think I’m a panic merchant but I’ll be honest I was becoming concerned after Southampton,. we were on our second manager of the season, the players clearly didn’t give a t*ss, the squad was a mess in terms of its make up (loads of tens, lacking a striker and a left back) , confidence was fast evaporating and it didn’t look like we had a plan .

We looked like one of those teams that you see in a relegation battle and wonder “how the F*** did that happen ?” . We can see some fans still now think unsworth had turned the form round whilst plenty think that we’d never be dragged into a fight . Koeman position became untenable, we were awful against Leicester, spawned the points against Watford, were far than impressive against what was then a still struggling palace and then came Atalanta and the now notorious performance at Southampton.

I must admit after the humiliating 4-1 performance at a then struggling Southampton which followed so quickly on from our 1-5 annihilation at home to Atalanta (admittedly with a weaker side in a dead rubber), I felt change was urgently needed fast.

We acted and the new manager was watching on as they then perhaps not so miraculously seriously upped their game and put in a performance against West Ham.

I haven't changed my view that we were seriously on the slide prior to West Ham and in danger of getting beyond a point where recovery was at all likely or at best an extremely tall order.

For me Allardyce was very much needed, or at least a change of manager, I was actually wanting Dyche, but we still have the same unbalanced squad with the same personnel and a lot of the problems haven't vanished. It was imperative we started beating any team we face and getting points on the board to stop the rot and reverse a decline that was about to become much more serious.

Sam has done all that could reasonably have been asked of him, the football can never be great with our existing shortcomings still very much in evidence, but we can in the short term become much harder to beat, and this he's achieved.

We haven't suddenly become a great attacking side but it was never realistic to expect that, get results move forward and then on to the next step.

My worry was if we’d got it wrong , I can give you a list of talented managers that have done a great job before they’ve got a job and often after but just been the wrong appointment for a particular club at a particular time, they just haven’t fitted the dynamic and things have gone wrong . We couldn’t afford that, we just couldn’t and if you’re moshiri with grand plans and ideas you absolutely can’t take that chance . We’re all emotionally invested in Everton and it’s important to us he’s got a lot of money tied up in us not being that team that’s again too good to go down but does even if it was very unlikely .

I don’t think I worried , particularly about relegation when it all went wrong under Martinez . Well I don’t feel like I did other than the usual depression but I’m not going to lie I was starting to become worried. Not we’re doomed worried but absolutely an appointment must be made now worried.

The fact that the battling and fairly fortunate point at Palace was followed by the admittedly inconsequential 5-1 drubbing at home to Atalanta and the truly horrific 4-1 capitulation to a struggling goal shy Southampton outfit, just sharpened the sense of urgency.

It was the Southampton game more than any other and the pitiful performance plus the lack of any idea on basic defending that really scared me.

Other managers maybe could have turned it around, some here think nothing was more certain, I think it possibly the case but not definitely, and certainly not so quickly.

I wasn't particularly wanting Allardyce but did think that he represented our best chance. The situation was serious enough and threatening to become far worse. If confidence dips so badly and defeat becomes just the norm, the only doubt being by how many, then the situation can become one of irreversible decline and we were sliding into just that.
 

I think anyone in the immediate aftermath of the 4-1 defeat at S'ton would have been questioning the players ability to get us clear. But Unsworth's last outing secured a 4-0 victory and he oversaw a jump of a few places in the PL. That allows me to assert that Allardyce came into a settling situation.

There's no question in my mind that if Unsworth had been made manager after Koeman left the players would have been determined to impress him as much as they have been to impress Allardyce. The board threw Unsworth in at the deep end with weights attached to his feet: inheriting Koeman's failure signings, a load of EL dead matches and expecting him to gain control of rebellious players when taking them on a game-to-game basis. DU struggled impressively with that load and did as well as could be expected. BTW, Allardyce now claiming that West Ham result as his own does a disservice to a feller who'll be remembered at Everton when he's long forgotten as an embarrassing detour.

A load of dead EL games!? We had half of the group games to play! We were very much in the competition until Unsworth got 2 absolute hammerings.
 
I think anyone in the immediate aftermath of the 4-1 defeat at S'ton would have been questioning the players ability to get us clear. But Unsworth's last outing secured a 4-0 victory and he oversaw a jump of a few places in the PL. That allows me to assert that Allardyce came into a settling situation.

There's no question in my mind that if Unsworth had been made manager after Koeman left the players would have been determined to impress him as much as they have been to impress Allardyce. The board threw Unsworth in at the deep end with weights attached to his feet: inheriting Koeman's failure signings, a load of EL dead matches and expecting him to gain control of rebellious players when taking them on a game-to-game basis. DU struggled impressively with that load and did as well as could be expected. BTW, Allardyce now claiming that West Ham result as his own does a disservice to a feller who'll be remembered at Everton when he's long forgotten as an embarrassing detour.
Unsworth would have seen us down or at the very least come close to it.

One of the worst times I can ever remember as an Evertonian is being under his ‘leadership’.
 
As much as I like Unsworth, IMO he would have taken us down. As this point I’m not even sure Marco Silva would have kept us up.

I think Everton will go all out for Sean Dyche eventually. I’m just wondering about the timing. If Burnley qualify for the EL and we don’t then he may want to stay on another season to have a crack at that with Burnley. This would align nicely with SA current 18mth contract. If they don’t qualify (we might even catch them) then this may bring the clubs plans forward and go all out to get him at the end of the season.

I welcomed Roberto Martinez and Ronald Koeman when they joined Everton but ended up disliking them both at the end of their respective tenures due to arrogance and stubbornness. I really hope the club go for Sean Dyche and give him a chance.
 
As much as I like Unsworth, IMO he would have taken us down. As this point I’m not even sure Marco Silva would have kept us up.

I think Everton will go all out for Sean Dyche eventually. I’m just wondering about the timing. If Burnley qualify for the EL and we don’t then he may want to stay on another season to have a crack at that with Burnley. This would align nicely with SA current 18mth contract. If they don’t qualify (we might even catch them) then this may bring the clubs plans forward and go all out to get him at the end of the season.

I welcomed Roberto Martinez and Ronald Koeman when they joined Everton but ended up disliking them both at the end of their respective tenures due to arrogance and stubbornness. I really hope the club go for Sean Dyche and give him a chance.

If we wanted Sean Dyche why didnt we appoint him instead of Sam? He had the same release fee and will be on buttons at Burnley so would have been cheaper.

Why wait 6 months or 18 months, why didnt we get him a month ago?

Thats why I dont think we will go back in for Sean Dyche.
 
If we wanted Sean Dyche why didnt we appoint him instead of Sam? He had the same release fee and will be on buttons at Burnley so would have been cheaper.

Why wait 6 months or 18 months, why didnt we get him a month ago?

Thats why I dont think we will go back in for Sean Dyche.

That a fair point, but I don’t know what happened at Burnley’s end. What was said between Dyche and Burnley? Was there something which scuppered the deal? I don’t know, I’m spitballing here. I just think when the dust settles we’ll get Dyche.

If not Dyche, who do you suspect we’ll go for?
 

I think its a sign of our club that we tried to give Unsworth every chance. I'm always worried when a real club man gets the job. Hate to see them sacked. You can tell by big Sam's interviews, he can't believe his luck to start with players of the quality he has at his disposal. When he talks about the players due back it looks like he's purring. Can only see him doing well.

Was listening to drive time on talk sport tonight, talking about there is going to be loads of clubs looking for managers in the summer. We might have made our changed at the right time.
 
That a fair point, but I don’t know what happened at Burnley’s end. What was said between Dyche and Burnley? Was there something which scuppered the deal? I don’t know, I’m spitballing here. I just think when the dust settles we’ll get Dyche.

If not Dyche, who do you suspect we’ll go for?

Its hard to say mate, it depends on many factors :

Level of "backing" of current manager
Final league placing at the end of the season
Does Sam get 6 or 18 months
Which managers are out of work
Which managers are FOTM
Are we attractive
Do we want a short or long term manager
Do we have European football to offer

Things like that, I think in the time Koeman was sacked and the time Big Sam was appointed our "needs" changed, we also became less attractive. And that was in the space of 5 weeks.

I mean chart how this season has gone so far.

UP we spunked a load on players
DOWN we sold Lukaku
DOWN we failed to get a striker in
UP we made hard work, but we got Europa league
DOWN we started BADLY
And so on


And all that was in the space of a few months.

Tl;dr
Its all about timing and availabilty.
 
I think anyone in the immediate aftermath of the 4-1 defeat at S'ton would have been questioning the players ability to get us clear. But Unsworth's last outing secured a 4-0 victory and he oversaw a jump of a few places in the PL. That allows me to assert that Allardyce came into a settling situation.

There's no question in my mind that if Unsworth had been made manager after Koeman left the players would have been determined to impress him as much as they have been to impress Allardyce. The board threw Unsworth in at the deep end with weights attached to his feet: inheriting Koeman's failure signings, a load of EL dead matches and expecting him to gain control of rebellious players when taking them on a game-to-game basis. DU struggled impressively with that load and did as well as could be expected. BTW, Allardyce now claiming that West Ham result as his own does a disservice to a feller who'll be remembered at Everton when he's long forgotten as an embarrassing detour.
If Sam isn’t sat in the Directors box as the King elect for the WHU game then we don’t get that result imo. The new manager gave us the extra few % that makes the difference, Unsworth had shown no signs of being able to get that kind of uplift from those players.
 
Big Sam has done everything asked of him so far.Chelsea will ask a few questions, about both ourselves and Sam Allardyce this weekend.A positive result in that game, and i think that will bring the naysayers on side.
 
Big Sam has done everything asked of him so far.Chelsea will ask a few questions, about both ourselves and Sam Allardyce this weekend.A positive result in that game, and i think that will bring the naysayers on side.
I suspect Saturday brings us back down to Earth with a bump tbh. The naysayers will be out in force I reckon
 

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