Sam Allardyce

[brieverton]

Perhaps Sam is just coasting along, and he is benefitting from some luck that has contributed to a great start, but we don't know what is going on behind closed doors, and what the understanding is between him and Moshiri.

I agree that should a genuine top target manager become available, in the summer, or whenever, then we have to take that opportunity and cast Sam aside, however unfair or ruthless that might appear to be.

I'm skeptical that such a person will become available in the near future though. What are the club doing or what have they done to increase our attractiveness to a big name manager? We have become arguably less attractive in recent years despite a modest influx of money.

As we find to our cost and surprise (to some) time and again, simply throwing money at a managerial candidate doesn't wash and will not get a big name in the dug-out.

We do need to quite quickly return to a model of medium to long-term planning to build for success on the pitch but I don't suddenly see a whos-who line-up of managers appearing over the horizon in May.

The next guy in the door as I see it will be the sort of Fonseca/Silva type mooted - young and with a good reputation as I don't see where we are getting anyone with a record of silverware in one of the big leagues from. Without big money its debatable whether that is better than leaving Allardyce in post, with his experience and practical know-how in the Premier League.

There is a huge inherent risk in one of the foreign "flavour of the month" candidates turning out to be false, and not the next Pochettino we are all hoping for. The club can actually use this time, when Allardyce will more or less guarantee stability, to really do their homework on who they really want next time. Based on the mess they made of appointing Allardyce, who could be confident that lessons have and will be learned?

Nor is another short-term appointment in our best interests unless we really can pull a big name out of the hat. I think Sam will see out his 18 months and he could well do another year on top.

We are stuck in a bit of a bind really untill the stadium is built and proves (or otherwise) to be a catalyst for positive change and the potential sale of the club to someone or group much higher up the food chain than Moshiri is.

We have gone from talk of big ambition to stability being the current buzz word. I don't find that surprising given Moshiri simply doesn't have the resources to compete with the big guns. The appointment of Allardyce was surprising and bizarre but its not too far a reflection of where we are currently sadly - there simply wasn't a huge queue of suitable contenders for the job.

 

[Toffeelover]

No idea - in fairness i expect us to beat teams like Newcastle and Huddersfield etc. Under Silva with these players the RS could have run riot. With Sam you know you have a chance of getting something... it may not be pretty but at the moment points are far more important than football that is pleasing on the eye. Allardyce is getting the best out of a pretty average bunch which is what he's always done and that's mostly down to a solid, well drillled defensive approach. Silva appears far more attack minded and i don't think we have the players to play his way just yet. Maybe if Yannick, Coleman and Ross return we can hit teams on the counter but right now Allardyce's style is probably better suited to get us points.

Silva's play happen would have been very like that of RM and look what happened there.

 

[Toffeelover]

Perhaps Sam is just coasting along, and he is benefitting from some luck that has contributed to a great start, but we don't know what is going on behind closed doors, and what the understanding is between him and Moshiri.

I agree that should a genuine top target manager become available, in the summer, or whenever, then we have to take that opportunity and cast Sam aside, however unfair or ruthless that might appear to be.

I'm skeptical that such a person will become available in the near future though. What are the club doing or what have they done to increase our attractiveness to a big name manager? We have become arguably less attractive in recent years despite a modest influx of money.

As we find to our cost and surprise (to some) time and again, simply throwing money at a managerial candidate doesn't wash and will not get a big name in the dug-out.

We do need to quite quickly return to a model of medium to long-term planning to build for success on the pitch but I don't suddenly see a whos-who line-up of managers appearing over the horizon in May.

The next guy in the door as I see it will be the sort of Fonseca/Silva type mooted - young and with a good reputation as I don't see where we are getting anyone with a record of silverware in one of the big leagues from. Without big money its debatable whether that is better than leaving Allardyce in post, with his experience and practical know-how in the Premier League.

There is a huge inherent risk in one of the foreign "flavour of the month" candidates turning out to be false, and not the next Pochettino we are all hoping for. The club can actually use this time, when Allardyce will more or less guarantee stability, to really do their homework on who they really want next time. Based on the mess they made of appointing Allardyce, who could be confident that lessons have and will be learned?

Nor is another short-term appointment in our best interests unless we really can pull a big name out of the hat. I think Sam will see out his 18 months and he could well do another year on top.

We are stuck in a bit of a bind really untill the stadium is built and proves (or otherwise) to be a catalyst for positive change and the potential sale of the club to someone or group much higher up the food chain than Moshiri is.

We have gone from talk of big ambition to stability being the current buzz word. I don't find that surprising given Moshiri simply doesn't have the resources to compete with the big guns. The appointment of Allardyce was surprising and bizarre but its not too far a reflection of where we are currently sadly - there simply wasn't a huge queue of suitable contenders for the job.

Thank heavens for some one else with a bit of common sense, cheers Mate.

 

[trueblue10]

Imagine, just imagine for a moment, that we nick a boring 1-0 win at home on Saturday.

I wonder how much stick Sam will get for playing it tight and concentrating on not conceding 2,3 or more goals in every game, as it was prior to November 30th 2017 BS ( Before Sam)

This beloved club of ours performs week in week out in a results based business and up until November 30th 2017 BS, we were failing, spectacularly.

Iam an Everton fan, i want my club to win its fair share of football games, maybe win the odd trophy now and again. Iam lucky enough to be of an age when i can remember seeing my team lift the league championship trophy, the FA cup, crickey, i have even seen them win a European trophy.

I don't particularly care who our manager is, as long as he gets my team in a position where we can challenge for our share of the glory and if that means keeping it tight at the back and nicking 1-0's now and again, then that's ok with me.

I didn't do Arsenal any harm under Graham and Morinio has built a career doing it.

 

[davek]

Well Dave that bump in the road maybe Chelsea. Cannot in truth see us getting anything out of this game. The Allardyce episode may be as you claim embarrassing for Mosh but I believe he is come round from that and looking at recent results. Said before you may not like the choice of Sam but at the time no one else would touch us so what option did Mosh have?

Paid the asking price for Silva / declared Unsworth the new manager.

 

[blue61]

Does he swallow the gums.? I see him putting in a new gum several times during a game, and if he doesn't the gum would become huge.

It's a special disolving gum sourced from yorkshire via the internet. It's calles Ebay Gum.

 

[Toffeelover]

Paid the asking price for Silva / declared Unsworth the new manager.

Ducking the point Dave, do you honestly think Silva would have got us out of the mess we were in?

Apart from that remote possibility no other manager would come near us, would think we had the plague it was that bad.

 

[chopper6]

Paul Clement sacked. Don't be surprised if he comes in as a coach.

Both Moshiri & Allardyce are fans of his.

Just depends whether he'd want another managers role

 

[davek]

Ducking the point Dave, do you honestly think Silva would have got us out of the mess we were in?

Apart from that remote possibility no other manager would come near us, would think we had the plague it was that bad.

We were out of trouble by the time Allardyce took his substantial arse off that director's box seat against West Ham.

There wasn't much mess to get out of in all honesty. All those players have done subsequently is respond for a new FT manager - they knew they had to...a situation not afforded Unsworth.

 

[Toffeelover]

We were out of trouble by the time Allardyce took his substantial arse off that director's box seat against West Ham.

There wasn't much mess to get out of in all honesty. All those players have done subsequently is respond for a new FT manager - they knew they had to...a situation not afforded Unsworth.

Sorry to say Dave that is flying a kite, in fact although Sam did not select the team he did speak to them before the game. If we were out of trouble by that game how is it Unsy cocked up all the previous games? Do you really think in the Derby game Unsy would have come away with a draw?

Your dislike of Sam and Mosh is clouding your judgement, you resolutely seek to disregard or belittle anything positive about what is happening with our club. If Mosh had not come in you would have been belly aching like mad against BK imploring him to sell out.

 

[davek]

Sorry to say Dave that is flying a kite, in fact although Sam did not select the team he did speak to them before the game. If we were out of trouble by that game how is it Unsy cocked up all the previous games? Do you really think in the Derby game Unsy would have come away with a draw?

Your dislike of Sam and Mosh is clouding your judgement, you resolutely seek to disregard or belittle anything positive about what is happening with our club. If Mosh had not come in you would have been belly aching like mad against BK imploring him to sell out.

He didn't. Forget the EL and LC games, the PL games were all important and he took almost half the points on offer....and that was despite being hobbled by the board who refused to sanction him as a manager in the eyes of the players.

BTW I dont dislike Allardyce at all. I'm just under no illusions about his character or his ability.

 

[Toffeelover]

He didn't. Forget the EL and LC games, the PL games were all important and he took almost half the points on offer....and that was despite being hobbled by the board who refused to sanction him as a manager in the eyes of the players.

BTW I dont dislike Allardyce at all. I'm just under no illusions about his character or his ability.

Interesting Dave about illusions, I take you had no illusion that Unsy would have got us up where we are now, have to disagree on that he was following RK's thinking IMO.

BTW as for the PL almost half the points on offer was not good enough!

 

[davek]

Interesting Dave about illusions, I take you had no illusion that Unsy would have got us up where we are now, have to disagree on that he was following RK's thinking IMO.

BTW as for the PL almost half the points on offer was not good enough!

...better than what went before. Unsworth stopped the slide, Allardyce has built on that.

 

[Woolly Blue]

...better than what went before. Unsworth stopped the slide, Allardyce has built on that.

Done all right Sam hasn't he ?
Just go back a couple of weeks to a chat you were having with Roydo

No point blaming Koeman. Whats done is done. But I struggle to believe that a half competent coach, with a few bob in January, cant make these players into a capable, if not world beating, PL team.

I'm having serious doubts now about that.

I think we'll need a lot of bodies in January to keep clear of the relegation pack.

I think you should bow to Roydo's superior football knowledge just after you bow to Allardyce from taking us away from the relegation pack.



Obviously, now I've said that, we'll get absolutely battered by Chelsea and lose to bloody Bournemouth and / or the Baggies !

 

[Toffeeslam]

Paid the asking price for Silva / declared Unsworth the new manager.

Silva = Martinez Mk ll

Massive massive bullet dodged

Unsworth shipping goals like the afor mentioned gents above