Sam Allardyce

[Frang]

Paul Clement sacked. Don't be surprised if he comes in as a coach.

Both Moshiri & Allardyce are fans of his.

Just depends whether he'd want another managers role

he'll go to wherever ancelotti ends up..

 

[jazzy]

But those instructions didn't come from Sam...

They came about because of a lack of movement from the midfield (as @bluestevon says - a large proportion of that is down to team selection) meaning that Holgate/Williams were looking to get the ball up to DCL allowing Gylfi and Lennon to support.

Once we got the ball down - and the players in midfield started moving - we looked miles better and that's how Sam wants us to play.

Simple question .... how do you know what Sam wants or told them how to play?

Just asking.

 

[BlueToff]

Simple question .... how do you know what Sam wants or told them how to play?

Just asking.

Because he's said he wants us to replicate that play (like our goal v N'Castle) in his pressers

 

[Lanolin]

So you’re saying Everton weren’t in relegation form before he was announced as manager? It was just like last year was it, a couple of wins and we’d have Been ok.
Well, that team I was watching this season was the worst I’ve seen ever, and that includes the relegation dogfights we were involved in. We were in big trouble, and now we are not, and that is because Allardyce has done a remarkable job in turning things around.

This is absolute gold. You’re suggesting that I was wrong to believe that we would eventually find our form and pull away from the bottom, even though we have, and I was therefore clearly, demonstrably right. Remarkable scenes.

 

[Groucho]

No, and in general people are right to feel that way. But imo the club from top to bottom experienced a massive lack of self-confidence in the first three months of this season and lost its collective self-confidence.

The way forward is to recognise that as a blip and to get back to playing the football we all wish to see. The alternative to doing that is to stick long term with SA: something akin to believing that danger exists all around if we venture out of our comfort zone, and so it's best to hide behind the couch for the rest of our lives.

If he's showing sign of us being on the up with him, I’m relatively happy to keep.

 

[PickeringBlue]

So far I'm impressed with Sam. He has been clear that he is working in stages, the first of which is our defense. The one think that has stood out to me, particularly against Swansea was how quick our defenders are to put the ball into touch. While it creates disjointed play, with an old slow defender (Williams), two younger defenders (JJK and Holgate) and one questionable one (Martina), this is the right thing to do as it gives the team a chance to regroup as opposed to being caught out if we don't put it into touch and lose possession in a dangerous area.

The next phase will be the offense and to me I saw the first real signs of this in the last couple of games albeit didn't really come off. To me this isn't hoof ball, but rather working on movement off the ball and moving the ball with one touch. This is what we have been lacking all season. This to me is also what separates a great team from a simply good one. Its also an area where I think it is dangerous to expect to much from "limited" players (this was IMO one of Martinez' issues). Players who move effectively off the ball and also pass it off effectively with one touch are rare. I think that Koeman wanted them to play this way as well, but didn't know how to coach it and I suspect that our players are somewhat lacking in these areas (with Gana being and exception in that he moves very well defensively off the ball). Rooney is also good at this, but his passing against the Swans was horrible.

In time I think Sam will address this area as well and have us playing a bit more attractively. Chelsea will be a real test in us being able to retain the ball after we win it back.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

I’ve been eating a lot of cheese and a lot of toast on Big Sam. Still not sure how I feel overall, but if this is how the team finally gets some bottle and backbone in them then it’s OK with me. That trait has been missing from this team for basically the entire decade.

 

[Steve0]

A new manager and about 750 million quid you mean, because the players at our disposal right now aren't good enough to play possession football.

Palace tried that in the summer when they appointed De Boer and went down the possession football route, now they have a "dinosaur" in charge and look twice the team they did a couple of months ago.

Actually thought Palace looked ok in their De Boer games, they were never going to go down. The Palace vacancy was perfect for someone to come in and look good. They certainly aren't twice the team, needed a fair slice of luck to get something from Watford and West Ham and lost to rafas clueless Newcastle team.

 

[maccavennie]

Actually thought Palace looked ok in their De Boer games, they were never going to go down. The Palace vacancy was perfect for someone to come in and look good. They certainly aren't twice the team, needed a fair slice of luck to get something from Watford and West Ham and lost to rafas clueless Newcastle team.

Yep that game he got sacked ( after Burnley away ) they should have won that about 4-1 and played some lovely stuff.

Not his fault Scott Dann made it his own personal mission to miss a couple of sitters that game

 

[roydo]

Actually thought Palace looked ok in their De Boer games, they were never going to go down

They didnt even score a goal.

 

[Kev50]

This is absolute gold. You’re suggesting that I was wrong to believe that we would eventually find our form and pull away from the bottom, even though we have, and I was therefore clearly, demonstrably right. Remarkable scenes.

yes you were dead wrong to think our good form was inevitable. if we had appointed poorly, we would still be bumping along the bottom, and confidence by now would be absolutely shot. You were also dead wrong to think most managers available to us would have engineered this turn around. the reality is this has been outstanding management of a shattered team

 

[Steve0]

They didnt even score a goal.

Yeah but felt they were unlucky, misfiring benteke, no zaha, other injuries, 16 shots against Swansea etc.

 

[jceverton]

He pretty much guarantees our safety. He's organised and composed and players will play for him. It's what he does. Building teams? No, not in my opinion.

Imagine what a Tuchel could do with a crop of talented youngsters like we have right now. It's a no brainer for me: if that calibre candidate is available in the summer Allardyce has to be paid off...always assuming he has a contract that runs beyond the season in the first place.

Absolutely, we cannot keep wasting time on average managers. He's averaged 1.2 ppg with a 34% win rate, he's not suddenly going to go from an average competent manager to someone who is going to build a team to challenge for the top 4 and the league. So as well as we are doing now, in the long run it will be a waste of time to keep him on past the end of the season.

 

[roydo]

Yeah but felt they were unlucky, misfiring benteke, no zaha, other injuries, 16 shots against Swansea etc.

Mate, under FDB they were rank.

 

[Walken]

They didnt even score a goal.

People won't give the likes of hodgson credit no matter what, he's doing a fine rescue job and it's not the first time he has performed one either