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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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All this and you have totally missed the point.

Two HOME games in a row without a shot on target. If you're finding an excuse for that, you must be very very desperate.

No point has been missed. The attacking intent from the team has been poor recently, and clearly has been in the last 2 home games. However, in one of them, we actually came away with a point against a better side so it will be seen as a positive result. Or would people prefer we had a few shots and got beat instead?

What you, and others are failing to acknowledge when linking this poor attacking threat with Allardyce is that it tends to happen when we come up against superior sides that are aiming for the title/CL.

Under Ronald Koeman we went to Man City and played against 10 men for over 45 minutes and only managed 2 shots on target. Against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge we managed 0 shots on target. Against Spurs at Goodison we had 1. These all happened before Allardyce came in. We've now played 2 sides in the top 4 again and registered 0 shots. The truth is, we're an inferior side to all of those and it shows in the matches we play against them and in the shots we manage to have on target. This isn't just an Allardyce issue, it's an issue with the team and happened under Koeman as well.

Our team isn't good enough.
 
I think everyone knows my opinion on Allardyce and the fact I don't think he should be anywhere near our club.... IMO (cant be arsed arguing with the usual about if we where in a relegation fight or not again), we panicked and got his ilk in far too early!

That aside.

I cant completely lay everything on Sam/Koemans door, I still cant sit here and say they are completely at fault when they have a poor squad and complete unbalance to play with. Selections and substitutions from both managers have been completely mental, BUT...

Walsh and the board have so much to answer for, they have created this mess without the foresight and planning they are meant to be in charge of.

Walsh I dont know how he is in a job still, if he doesnt fix the mess he created this window, he needs to be out the door sharpish.

Then take Sam with him, and take stock in the summer.

PS... I hate Sam Allardyce still... he sucks a fat one....

with gravy.
 
Listened to the press interview and one thing I will say, Sam does not hide and gives it straight, however I still think some of the team selections and subbing were not the best.

Give him some room IMO only been a couple of months and the state our team was in will require time and additions to address.
 
No point has been missed. The attacking intent from the team has been poor recently, and clearly has been in the last 2 home games. However, in one of them, we actually came away with a point against a better side so it will be seen as a positive result. Or would people prefer we had a few shots and got beat instead?

What you, and others are failing to acknowledge when linking this poor attacking threat with Allardyce is that it tends to happen when we come up against superior sides that are aiming for the title/CL.

Under Ronald Koeman we went to Man City and played against 10 men for over 45 minutes and only managed 2 shots on target. Against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge we managed 0 shots on target. Against Spurs at Goodison we had 1. These all happened before Allardyce came in. We've now played 2 sides in the top 4 again and registered 0 shots. The truth is, we're an inferior side to all of those and it shows in the matches we play against them and in the shots we manage to have on target. This isn't just an Allardyce issue, it's an issue with the team and happened under Koeman as well.

Our team isn't good enough.

Or would people prefer we had a few shots and got beat instead?

As opposed to having no shots and getting beat?

Last four games : 2 draws 2 defeats

It is hardly too much to ask for us to go out and at least try and win the game, is it?

Three defeats and one win from the same fixtures would have been more points. That's three wins from nine league games too (with some very generous fixtures in there).

The wheels have come off and the Sizeable Sam memers have been left looking a bit silly; they have not only backed a crook, but am inept football dinosaur
 

Yes. The fact we are no worse under him than we were under the last manager is absolutely the point.
So by extension, since you agree he is a poor manager, we will inevitably have to dispense with his services with further disruption and upheaval for the team.
Wouldn't we have been better finding a manager who could have improved our team and been able to carry us forward into the future?
 
Yes. The fact we are no worse under him than we were under the last manager is absolutely the point.

The point being in your view both not up to it? But Allardyce has not been here long and has never had a window to make additions to the squad but RK did and look at the money he wasted saddling us with a number of poor players.

If you bought a house that was not up to standard and needed putting right could you do it in 2 months when you could not buy any materials??? That is where Allardyce is, so for the moment give him a bit of slack.

BTW not saying he is my favourite manager but the only one after RK being sacked who was prepared to have a go. No one else came near us for the manager's job, it was like the club had a dose of the plague, folk need to wake up and realise that.
 
So by extension, since you agree he is a poor manager, we will inevitably have to dispense with his services with further disruption and upheaval for the team.
Wouldn't we have been better finding a manager who could have improved our team and been able to carry us forward into the future?

I have never suggested he is the long term answer. However that's not what we required at the time. We were in the midst of a full blown crisis, whether people want to admit it or not. We did need a short term solution for this season, as there were no realistic "top" managers that we could have got. People can try and sugar coat our squad as much as they want, but it's absolutely godawful from top to bottom and we needed someone with experience of handling such a mess and secure us safety.

I have always supported the idea of going after a long term replacement once this season is out of the way.
 
Tried being a bit more positive yesterday but got overrun easily due to having nothing much (our best selection) up front.
Had to throw McCarthy on when our midfield disappeared completely in the second half and at least there was some revival.

Our Midfield is just gutless.

There were some promising signs but I hope he goes negative again against the RS, at least until we get some fight in the midfield and some competent attackers
 
All this and you have totally missed the point.

Two HOME games in a row without a shot on target. If you're finding an excuse for that, you must be very very desperate.

Win home games against the other 13 teams in the league outside the top 6, set up away from home against those same 13 teams trying to steal a point, if you manage to do that in ten of the home and away games, then it's the magical 40 point mark so you can lose the 12 games against the top 6 and the other 6 games with no worries for Big Sams aims.

Won 10, drew 10, lose 18 is a good season in Allardyce books as it usually guarantees 40 points and safety.

People like @Zatara a whilst ago crowing how Allaryce had us at 2 points per game which is CL form in his words, wonder how they are perceiving the current return of 12 from 8 games, with a upcoming Derby bumming on the Horizon followed by a trip to Spurs. 12 from 9 and a cup exit to the rs without a shot or attacking intent, doesn't look quite as good then does it.

More and more will turn on him over the next 2 months - as this becomes obvious it's the method he wants and has chosen to use, and we will basically scrape along at the 1-1.5 points per game mark most likely due to playing utter garbage teams at Goodison in that time, end of March start of April, back to back games at Goodison against City and then the Derby, IF as i expect we get absolutely hammered in those two games and show the same ambition we have done lately against big teams, can see a lot wanting him out, as by then we should look like we always would have been and pretty much safe from the silly notion we where a relegation standard team before super Sam came charging in on his pit pony.

Watched Burnley against the rs the other night, and they where massively unlucky, limited them to a world class finish and a very lucky (offside) winner, ceded possession like we do, defended solidly - like we have been, but did it whilst still having the intent to press the crap out of them higher up when the right time, and to expose them defensively, and actually passed the ball around very well in periods of that game to have the rs wobbling badly, same as they did when getting a draw at Anfield against them.

Dyche wasn't my choice, but with a group of individual players who impartially are inferior to the individual players we have here, and with a squad with a lot less depth, has managed to create a team out of them which is far superior to what 3 managers in a row have managed here. We took there perceived 'best' player off them (and he was perceived by everyone as that) and now he looks garbage, his replacement and looks very good and his former 'junior' partner now looks better than Keane did for Burnley, for me that shows the effect of very good coaching and team building, much the way most Moyes players who moved on never looked as good as they did here for example afterwards, same for United players who left under red nose.

Good managers make players better, good managers turn a group of average players into a good team.

The BFS comparisons - which i used myself about Dyche, are unjust actually, he's far more reminiscent of a younger Moyes when the latter still had a bit of fire and ambition about him - which was reflected with how the team played.
 

As opposed to having no shots and getting beat?

Last four games : 2 draws 2 defeats

It is hardly too much to ask for us to go out and at least try and win the game, is it?

Three defeats and one win from the same fixtures would have been more points. That's three wins from nine league games too (with some very generous fixtures in there).

The wheels have come off and the Sizeable Sam memers have been left looking a bit silly; they have not only backed a crook, but am inept football dinosaur

If Koeman or Moyes made the same comment about a good season for us being 8-9th like Allardyce did the other day he would have been slaughtered for it mate, especially making that statement when sat level on point with the 8th placed team.

They talk about him being honest speaking etc, know he just is smart and knows very well how to say things which downplay the club thus boost what he achieves as a miracle etc.

Will guarantee that within the next month he starts dropping in lines about how we where in the relegation fight when he arrived and looking down and out etc
 
Bluestevon, about Burnley they have won many games by just 1 goal or goalless draws, Dyche has been doing exactly what Alladyce is trying do, clean sheets, score first and hold on but like us last night when they come up against real opposition they go the same way we did.

BTW dyche has been at Burnley for quite some time to sort this, Allradyce has only a couple of month in the Everton job. So with our squad of yuks do you Dyche could have done any better in 2 months?
 
If Koeman or Moyes made the same comment about a good season for us being 8-9th like Allardyce did the other day he would have been slaughtered for it mate, especially making that statement when sat level on point with the 8th placed team.

They talk about him being honest speaking etc, know he just is smart and knows very well how to say things which downplay the club thus boost what he achieves as a miracle etc.

Will guarantee that within the next month he starts dropping in lines about how we where in the relegation fight when he arrived and looking down and out etc

Honestly mate I don't think he talks "sense" at all, he rambles like an incoherent drunk. His one lucid moment was about the foodbanks.

The reality is that he has won 3 out of 9 games with a number of easy fixtures in there. Even Unnnnnnnnsy managed 2 in 7 didn't he and that was hopeless.

We haven't even looked like having a chance of winning the last four games against, it's pathetic. Even against Newcastle they hit the post twice.

Corrupt and inept, a £6m a year combination.
 
I cant warm to him at all, I want to and I want to believe that he is rebuilding some foundations, which the goals against column does show. But something inside me cant accept he's the Everton manager! When I see him being interviewed, I just see Sam Allardyce, talking about Everton.

I actually find him quite arrogant, like we are lucky to have him
 
If Koeman or Moyes made the same comment about a good season for us being 8-9th like Allardyce did the other day he would have been slaughtered for it mate, especially making that statement when sat level on point with the 8th placed team.

They talk about him being honest speaking etc, know he just is smart and knows very well how to say things which downplay the club thus boost what he achieves as a miracle etc.

Will guarantee that within the next month he starts dropping in lines about how we where in the relegation fight when he arrived and looking down and out etc

Erm. We were in the relegation zone and 8th to 9th this season with the players we've got wouldn't be so bad. The Jan transfer window will only paper over the cracks. I wouldn't have trusted Koeman anyway as he'd have bought another number 10...I think the SA appointment was seen as a real effort to maintain our premier league status and as such seems to be working. I'm neither for or against S.A. as he's only a temporary measure. I'll purge the last 18 months and next 14 months from all memory. Hopefully by then someone on our board will have had a eureka moment.
 

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