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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%
  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%
  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%
  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%

  • Total voters
    956
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It's just relentless mismanagement.

We needed a new centre-half desperately, so we went out and spent £9.5m on Funes Mori. God awful, had no experience of the league etc etc.
We needed to replace Stones, got given £50m to do it, and we've ended up with Mason Holgate being our best option.
We needed to replace Barry, and have spent £50m+ buying vastly worse alternatives.
We needed a new striker to take the load off Lukaku, we spent £13.5m on Niasse.
We needed a new striker when Lukaku got sold, we were given £90m to do it with, and we started the season with Niasse and Calvert-Lewin, who genuinely couldn't find a team mate for 30 mins today.
And now, when we thought it couldn't get much worse, we appoint Sam Allardyce, who has actually made an appalling football team into, well, a team that has managed no shots in the first half in 6 games in his time, and three games in the league with no shots on target, something we didn't manage in 222 games beforehand.

How Allardyce has managed to make us worse is totally beyond me.

What really crushes me more than anything else is the lack of hope that this can get better. Even during the dying days of Martinez, which we all know were grim, you always felt we just needed a new manager to come in and sort the defence out.

Now you look at what's going on and see nothing to pin your hopes on. Lukaku, Stones and Barkley have all departed and we've replaced them with duds. Worse still is the distinct possibility that we will start next with Sam Allardyce and if not him you then start to worry what Moshiri will come up with next. The damage to our club is self inflicted.
 
He knows how to park a bus and feed of scraps, but when he has to come out and attack or chase a game the man is clueless.... the sooner he leaves or gets sacked from Everton football club the better we will be. It won’t be long before the masses are calling for his massive head

If Leicester play like they did against Chelsea but actually score their chances, it'll be grim viewing
 
We are in danger of it tipping into a Villa style situation if we are not careful.

I think people would be more tolerant if a manager had come in and at least tried something different, but everyone has just used that same dull as dishwater Martinez formation and just hoped it would magically work. All we have done is switched pointless short passes for aimless hoofs.

At one point today Kenny knocked it to McCarthy, who played it sideways (the shock) and Kenny ran onto it, twenty yards of space all around him, and just wellied it to the Spurs corner flag. Totally crazy.
That's a big worry for me too mate, Moshiris funds are limited unless the fat man at Arsenal has given him a blank chequebook to help out, I doubt that though. Only hope I have on that is the whole dual club ownership stuff in Russia.

Anyway I actually believe there is a very good team there, 7th best by a decent margin when everyone is fit and I do think we've been unlucky with injuries etc but Koemans undoing, Unsworth being left to sink or swim and hiring managers like Sam won't help the situation or the teams confidence. I do think a good manager would have little to do to make us a side pushing the top 6 when everyone is fully fit. The team just needs more height, pace and creativity especially in the middle imo. However at present we're looking more like a spiralling Villa than rising Man City.

I only caught the second half today, and every hoofball was seemingly hoof for the sake of it with no target. I can live with hoof ball if it's aimed at Cenk for example and he's laying it off to runners but most of the time it's just being hoofed, like you say, to the corner flag in hope of a throw in the attacking 3rd probably.
 
That's a big worry for me too mate, Moshiris funds are limited unless the fat man at Arsenal has given him a blank chequebook to help out, I doubt that though. Only hope I have on that is the whole dual club ownership stuff in Russia.

Anyway I actually believe there is a very good team there, 7th best by a decent margin when everyone is fit and I do think we've been unlucky with injuries etc but Koemans undoing, Unsworth being left to sink or swim and hiring managers like Sam won't help the situation or the teams confidence. I do think a good manager would have little to do to make us a side pushing the top 6 when everyone is fully fit. The team just needs more height, pace and creativity especially in the middle imo. However at present we're looking more like a spiralling Villa than rising Man City.

I only caught the second half today, and every hoofball was seemingly hoof for the sake of it with no target. I can live with hoof ball if it's aimed at Cenk for example and he's laying it off to runners but most of the time it's just being hoofed, like you say, to the corner flag in hope of a throw in the attacking 3rd probably.

It was awful throughout mate but the second half was Atlanta in the home game bad, in the sense that basic football ideas were abandoned and at least 7 players just gave up. In fact, we even brought on subs who instantly gave up.

I dread to even look but are penalties the number one source of goals under Allardyce? Must be close.
 

He knows how to park a bus and feed of scraps, but when he has to come out and attack or chase a game the man is clueless.... the sooner he leaves or gets sacked from Everton football club the better we will be. It won’t be long before the masses are calling for his massive head
Agreed, but I would rather just let him see it out til the summer rather than more unrest from the stands, the team seem so fragile as is and chopping and changing managers again will do us more damage than good. Sam will keep us up even if it's just barely and that let's us get a good manager in the summer, well hopefully lol
 
It was awful throughout mate but the second half was Atlanta in the home game bad, in the sense that basic football ideas were abandoned and at least 7 players just gave up. In fact, we even brought on subs who instantly gave up.

I dread to even look but are penalties the number one source of goals under Allardyce? Must be close.
That's what's worrying too actually, the players give up so easily, under 3 managers now. I reckon it'd be very close mate which is shocking tbh.
 
That's what's worrying too actually, the players give up so easily, under 3 managers now. I reckon it'd be very close mate which is shocking tbh.

Vast numbers of them need to sold in the next year, really. But then you have to suffer the same issues we had at the start of the season with a raft of new players, plus the massive write down in transfers. I'm not sure other clubs would pay wages to our level either.
 
He’ll be another one thrown under the bus by this awful squad. When they want to play they can but as soon as they don’t, down go the tools.
 
He'd need 19-23 points from here, or 6-7 wins from 15. Where's he suddenly winning 40% of his games from when he's managed 3 in 12?

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Allardyce but despite last 3 weeks it is entirely conceivable we win the next 2 games we have coming up - that's nearly a third of those points. And we have some other very winnable games left.

I'm not saying for one minute I am happy with this as a season or Allardyce has done well to get that total, but let's see at end of 38 games, that's just my honest projection of total points.
 

Vast numbers of them need to sold in the next year, really. But then you have to suffer the same issues we had at the start of the season with a raft of new players, plus the massive write down in transfers. I'm not sure other clubs would pay wages to our level either.
Tbh i think its just a symptom of the situations unfolding around them on and off the pitch and the negative football currently being coached. Still no excuse mind. Only ones I think should see the door this summer are Jags, Williams, Besic, Schneiderlin, Niasse (if not this window), Mirallas (Permanently) and Martina. Only ones I'd replace from them are Jags and Williams with two big grocks and a forward passing CM and a winger that can actually play football. That won't happen in one window though unfortunately.
 
He’ll be another one thrown under the bus by this awful squad. When they want to play they can but as soon as they don’t, down go the tools.

When you bring in so many new players chances are that's the way it's going to be. None of them have any real affinity with the club, they're just here to pick up their wages.

Still, don't go easy on Allardyce. He's just as bad as every single one of them.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Allardyce but despite last 3 weeks it is entirely conceivable we win the next 2 games we have coming up - that's nearly a third of those points. And we have some other very winnable games left.

I'm not saying for one minute I am happy with this as a season or Allardyce has done well to get that total, but let's see at end of 38 games, that's just my honest projection of total points.

Honestly mate I think he might manage to get less than the Martinez 45 points (6 wins or 5 wins 3 draws). To have reduced to not even hitting the target means we do not function, at all, as a football side.
 

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