Sam Allardyce

[maccavennie]

The best hope is that we manage to limp to the end of the season and get a new manager in whilst we are still in the league mate sadly, hopefully he takes the DoF with him, can't see much as I'd love it that we will sack him this season bar a catastrophe.

Biggest worry is that if we don't buy this January any more then we may well be royally involved in a relegation scrap come april/may, and if we do buy we will go for the short term fixes who will just make whoever comes in afters job all that more difficult

Walsh needs binning asap the clueless biff. I've got no confidence in Moshiri whatsoever tbh mate in making any rational decisions that will benefit Everton Football Club.

 

[maccavennie]

'We have our own fab four'

It's just insulting to the fans intelligence after a disgrace of a season which has resulted in a humiliating European campaign, a terrible performance in the league and yet another failure against Liverpool. To top it all off we have Sam Allardyce in charge.

The man is a major concern to me mate, from what he says and who he says it to is a disaster. Not confident on him delivering anything of note, whether that be signings, managers and ultimately the football stadium.

Anyone who believes hiring Allardyce is a good idea needs putting in a very large bin.

 

[Caolam]

Fat Sam should be sacked at the end of the season along with any board member who thought he should be appointed

 

[bluestevon]

Nah. They were on the slide before that, we had people on here saying "just wait a few weeks and we'll be able to get him for free when he's sacked".

Not sure if they had been sliding that badly really mate

Beat arsenal 301, then lost to Chelsea away 4-2 in a game they should have been out of sight in - crap result against Stoke just before we fluked the win against them (both of those games came mid speculation) then they bounced back with a couple of good wins right after

Only once we hired allardyce did they nosedive massively 1 win 2 draws 6 losses

For me that shows a sign that once the job here was no longer an option the wheels came off at his current team, be that him not being the same, or the players or a combination of both things.

 

[maccavennie]

Fat Sam should be sacked at the end of the season along with any board member who thought he should be appointed

That would mean that no one is left to.run the club mate as it was probably the lot of them who decided lol GOT should just take over running out club, we will all do alternate shifts looking after it

 

[dannyboy]

The man is a major concern to me mate, from what he says and who he says it to is a disaster. Not confident on him delivering anything of note, whether that be signings, managers and ultimately the football stadium.

Anyone who believes hiring Allardyce is a good idea needs putting in a very large bin.

And when Allardyce eventually goes you dread to think who he will turn to next.

The stadium is by far the biggest issue. If he gets that built then that's his legacy. As if you could possibly have any faith in it happening though. Absolutely stinks of Kings Dock all over again.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

An hilarious YouTube about Sam Allardyce that is partly based on those very quotes:

Haha, fantastic. He's like Kick Ass, a delusional teenager who thinks he's a superhero.

The delusional managerial equivalent: Hoof Ball.

 

[maccavennie]

And when Allardyce eventually goes you dread to think who he will turn to next.

The stadium is by far the biggest issue. If he gets that built then that's his legacy. As if you could possibly have any faith in it happening though. Absolutely stinks of Kings Dock all over again.

Yep, totally agree mate. If the stadium comes through then fair enough he will have delivered on something massive. I just don't believe a single word he says. Him and Kenwright together must get through chatting some crap when in each other's company

 

[MickA]

Said this in the match thread but I don't feel the manager is the issue anymore, it's the players. As much as I don't like sams total defence tactics, yesterday we did attack spurs. We did attack United, we did attack Chelsea and we attacked liverpool. It's the players who aren't good enough, I'm sorry but the lack of shots and shots on target despite actually being near the spurs box yesterday shows just how bad we are.

The players just don't play together, and it's a failure that we keep playing the same players together and wondering why it isn't working. I said the same under koeman and it's still true. These 100 million plus attackers can't even create or shoot to have a chance of winning a game so it makes no odds how we play defensively if when we attack we just give the ball away.

This is the short version of my thought.

We'll that's what you'd expect one of the best paid managers on earth to sort, or I would.

Personally I think the truth is somewhere in between. Some of the players are finished, others under performing, some aren't good enough but for me it's nowhere near the worst squad in the league.

As for the coach, deploying a layer of bodies in front of the back 4 isn't genius, nor is it improving the defenders individually. It's up to him to find a balance, and we've seen it can be done with this squad.

 

[Blue Juice]

In the bin.

Can't change won't change

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That would mean that no one is left to.run the club mate as it was probably the lot of them who decided lol GOT should just take over running out club, we will all do alternate shifts looking after it

Count me out. I have football manager and Tosun scored on his debut Rooney and Gilfy made it 3 nil...

 

[MikeH72]

Not sure if they had been sliding that badly really mate

Beat arsenal 301, then lost to Chelsea away 4-2 in a game they should have been out of sight in - crap result against Stoke just before we fluked the win against them (both of those games came mid speculation) then they bounced back with a couple of good wins right after

Only once we hired allardyce did they nosedive massively 1 win 2 draws 6 losses

For me that shows a sign that once the job here was no longer an option the wheels came off at his current team, be that him not being the same, or the players or a combination of both things.

What about Hull's capitulation last season, was that down to interest from Watford unsettling everyone?

 

[toffeejack]

Problem now for us is has Silva been damaged that badly by whats happened that he either would not take the job or if he did that his rep amongst players will have been permanently damaged so as to not get the respect etc - and we have seen where that ends up...

As i pointed out to you the other day mate, Allardyce will cost the club 11m in total for his time here (be that 3 months or a year and a half) 9m in wages (which we will need to pay off to get bid early) and 2m compensation to Palace to get him initially. Throw in all the staff we have brought in at his bequest, and their contracts which you assume will also have to be paid off when he goes, then you are more than likely looking at 13-14m quid in total.

All we are missing so far is the buying of Andy Carroll and Antonio for 35-40m on 100k pw each to round off the damage

I'm just happy it's not my money. Moshiri was the one who hired him so should have been prepared to pay that much. He knew what he was getting and he was obviously willing to pay that sum to pay him off. I want him to get in someone who really knows what to look for when hiring the next manger. He had the right vision going after koeman, but he's a good business man, not a football expert. I think after the failures of his appointments which seem a bit based on flavour of the month, he needs someone to help him make the right decision. Fonseca at shakhtar does tick a lot of boxes to me, but I don't watch an awful lot of football anymore.

 

[bluestevon]

We'll that's what you'd expect one of the best paid managers on earth to sort, or I would.

Personally I think the truth is somewhere in between. Some of the players are finished, others under performing, some aren't good enough but for me it's nowhere near the worst squad in the league.

As for the coach, deploying a layer of bodies in front of the back 4 isn't genius, nor is it improving the defenders individually. It's up to him to find a balance, and we've seen it can be done with this squad.

Because the areas of the team and individual players are just picked seemingly without thoughts of how they effect and work as a unit.

Play a slow defence including either Jags or Williams and you need pace up top to give a release/outlet to the pressure.

Don't play any pace up front/wide, then need tom NOT play the slow defensive players and have to go with Keane/Holgate for example

Realise that certain players cannot play inn the same team as each other without both being infinitely worse as a result. Gueye/Schneiderlin (actually any combination involving Schneiderlin nowadays), Rooney/Sigurdsson and any left sided player in the same 11 as Martina.

Just off the top of my head, Pickford, Holgate, Coleman/Kenny, Sigurdsson, Gueye are all good enough to put into the team in their proper best positions, then pick the players around who compliment them, and if you don't have any that do, go and f'ing buy them

Buy a proper decent/good left back and solid centre half who has decent pace and the entire team shape changes.

just going off players who've moved in the last 6 months or have been rumoured to be available, stick a back four together of Kenny/Coleman, Holgate/Keane, Sakho (i know) and Shaw, pickford in behind and that team has pace, can play a high line, can provide width and attacking support and doesn't force attacking players into defensive roles (or mean we have to play players like Lennon because they can run hard...)

Who knows maybe in that set up the likes of Sandro, Klassen, Lookman, Vlasic could then be actually played and may perform as you wouldn't be asking them to do parts of their game not suited to the player

 

[nsno-chris]