Sam Allardyce

[bluestevon]

What about Hull's capitulation last season, was that down to interest from Watford unsettling everyone?

Nope mate it was down to them having an absolutely thread bare squad full of rubbish players and our own keeper playing one of the best games I've seen to take it out their own hands in the match against Sunderland when they absolutely battered them and got sucker punched going for the win.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Lets just look at what Moshiri has done with regards to appointing staff at this club shall we.

He poached Koeman, at the time the best manager in the league outside the top 5, he was being linked as the next Arse manager, he was on Barca's short list to be their next manager, regarded by all in the game as a great appointment by us and a coup to get him.

He poached Walsh from Leicester, highly regarded scout, he acquired players at Leicester that won them the league, he was vital to their success.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Moshiri's intent is clear to see, he aims to get us the best that is available.

He pursued Silva at Watford to point of nearly getting reported to the Premier League for it, he never wanted Allardyce but we needed someone in, so he gives him the shortest contract I've ever seen a Everton manager get in the last 30 years, learning his lesson from Koeman and keeping his options well and truly open to getting a better manager in the summer.

Moshiri has been unlucky, he went for the top people available in the game to run his club and it's not turned out to fulfil the promise it had on paper.

Am I the only one on here that can see this?

 

[hktoffee]

In the bin.

Can't change won't change

He did it after the West Brom game and we lost 4 in the row.

He just can't.

 

[orly]

Lets just look at what Moshiri has done with regards to appointing staff at this club shall we.

He poached Koeman, at the time the best manager in the league outside the top 5, he was being linked as the next Arse manager, he was on Barca's short list to be their next manager, regarded by all in the game as a great appointment by us and a coup to get him.

He poached Walsh from Leicester, highly regarded scout, he acquired players at Leicester that won them the league, he was vital to their success.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Moshiri's intent is clear to see, he aims to get us the best that is available.

He pursued Silva at Watford to point of nearly getting reported to the Premier League for it, he never wanted Allardyce but we needed someone in, so he gives him the shortest contract I've ever seen a Everton manager get in the last 30 years, learning his lesson from Koeman and keeping his options well and truly open to getting a better manager in the summer.

Moshiri has been unlucky, he went for the top people available in the game to run his club and it's not turned out to fulfil the promise it had on paper.

Am I the only one on here that can see this?

Quint this is the Allardyce thread you relentless Moshiri / Hamilton fanboy

 

[rstevens]

He did it after the West Brom game and we lost 4 in the row.

He just can't.

In what we did we change? You actually believe this piece of **** when he says we have been playing more attacking football? My eyes and the stats say otherwise. We have been playing the same crap, defensive, pathetic football since day one. The only thing that has changed is our luck has changed from winning the most penalties in the league to not winning them now.

 

[toffeejack]

In the last few months I have seen the comparisons of silva to marinez that I don't like. I thought he was a bit special before and without knee jerking, the way his players have reacted and sort of downed tools is reminiscent of us in mariner's final days. I want a manager who the players know is boss. I want someone who the players can't hold the power over. I can't see any players downing tools under a pochettino for example.

 

[Khalekan]

Don't write Silva off completely mate, we've basically completely screwed them over this season as the players commitment seems to have evaporated as soon as they realised that their manager wanted out, hard to sell the line of putting the effort in for 'your project' when it becomes clear you want to leave yourself.

Got the feeling 2-3 of that team thought they where gonna be going with as well and getting a big move in relative terms.

Stevon, Watford’s slump started before we began the pursuit of their manager.

They sat top four in September and it has been pretty much all downhill since they beat Arsenal in October.

The Hull situation was discussed to death here during the manager hunt and it was a collapse over the last half a dozen games, after they had got themselves out the relegation zone, that sealed their fate.

A man hyped way beyond any ability he has shown in this league IMO.

And I believe the only thing keeping him in a job at Watford is that the owner does not want to look foolish by firing him so soon after turning down Moshiri’s millions to release him.

If Moshiri does still want him then he can have him for free come May, I think

 

[pipling]

Nope he's been shocking since he let it be known he was wanting this job mate

Saying that over the past 5 games form he has gained double the points Allardyce has managed... and also progressed into the next round of the FA Cup which we got dumped out of...


So what's that say about Allrdyce?

That is Silva's team though. He is answerable for that team. Allardyce's job is much harder. Surely that needs to be taken into account?

 

[Khalekan]

In short Khal, I'd actually take Silva whenever he became available - decent chance they will sack him as well - Arteta in as his assistant as well.

and get rid of Walsh and recruit a semi competent DoF from abroad

Deffo get rid of Walsh.

This man’s influence is taking us in one direction only.......down.

Arteta an interesting shout.

 

[bluestevon]

Lets just look at what Moshiri has done with regards to appointing staff at this club shall we.

He poached Koeman, at the time the best manager in the league outside the top 5, he was being linked as the next Arse manager, he was on Barca's short list to be their next manager, regarded by all in the game as a great appointment by us and a coup to get him.

He poached Walsh from Leicester, highly regarded scout, he acquired players at Leicester that won them the league, he was vital to their success.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Moshiri's intent is clear to see, he aims to get us the best that is available.

He pursued Silva at Watford to point of nearly getting reported to the Premier League for it, he never wanted Allardyce but we needed someone in, so he gives him the shortest contract I've ever seen a Everton manager get in the last 30 years, learning his lesson from Koeman and keeping his options well and truly open to getting a better manager in the summer.

Moshiri has been unlucky, he went for the top people available in the game to run his club and it's not turned out to fulfil the promise it had on paper.

Am I the only one on here that can see this?

That may well be his intentions mate

Alternate view, he is reacting to the flavour of the month rather than being knowledgeable about these football matters.

Leicester won the league so he goes and grabs the scout no one had heard of 12 months before and gives him a role he has never ever done before and expects him to be able to do it at top level.

Poached a manager who was all but on the scrapheap 4 years earlier before landing at Saints, ignored the disaster that happened at Valencia (the last 'big' team in a top league he had managed), ignored the fact he fell out with his star players that he actually bought at saints (Mane and Tadic), ignored that both prior seasons at Saints had seen them go on alarming runs for about a dozen games when both times pressure mounted on Koeman to be sacked, before turning it around.

Pursued Silva when it was clear Watford weren't gonna budge, a manager who 12 months earlier no one had heard off and who relatively speaking was still an unknown commodity in the league - but one who was getting a lot of plaudits in the media - seemingly forgetting that we where in the middle of the season whilst pursuing this guy and games where passing by.

He went for top 'names' maybe thats the problem, he has gone for top 'names' rather than the top 'people'.

 

[bluestevon]

In the last few months I have seen the comparisons of silva to marinez that I don't like. I thought he was a bit special before and without knee jerking, the way his players have reacted and sort of downed tools is reminiscent of us in mariner's final days. I want a manager who the players know is boss. I want someone who the players can't hold the power over. I can't see any players downing tools under a pochettino for example.

If Pocch made it clear he wanted and was offered the Man U job and the board blocked that move mate, then just watch how the arse would fall out of their season after that happened.

 

[BernieWright13]

His stupid fat face, the stupid distorted spin from the media over his irrelevant past ‘achievements’, his stupid arrogance and false sense of entitlement jolted an under performing, uncohesive, distorted and bloated mis-match of professional footballers who have been randomly sourced by four different permant managers to represent our club to initially pretend that their was a consequence to their limited application on the pitch.

So we beat a couple of horrific sides with problems as deep as ours at home, saw us get a winning lotto ticket away In the North East and it felt a means to an ends. However horrible, the reality of him actually being our Manager felt justified if he could conjure the results his stupid quips, stupid mouth microphone, ill fitting suit, open top buttinned shirt and half ragged tie could master.

But he is just part of the problem - the players have seen through him, the fans already had, the board soon will and he’ll go - but we will be left with one shocking team who simply don’t have the basic ingredients of hard work and application to make a difference.

It’s years of mis-management - indifferent bang average players on bloated salaries arriving under the balloon of new Sky Money who are resented by an incumbent generation of indifferent underperforming less wealthy millionaires all pointing the finger at each other.

Somehow we support them still. One of those days when you realise how bad it is, from the stupid fat smirking manager of ours who has landed a job his ability doesn’t serve to a squad of millionaires who aren’t fit at times to wear that badge they represent, to that gluttonous boardroom who take our name to earn their future fortune.

Probably guessed we lost again and it ain’t going to get any easier uNder this regime.

At last, someone has the guts to call him out for suits that don't fit. All that dough and he blags someone else's threads. I's mindblowing. As are his incompetence as a manager and the shame his fat shadow casts on our once-great club.

 

[bluestevon]

Stevon, Watford’s slump started before we began the pursuit of their manager.

They sat top four in September and it has been pretty much all downhill since they beat Arsenal in October.

The Hull situation was discussed to death here during the manager hunt and it was a collapse over the last half a dozen games, after they had got themselves out the relegation zone, that sealed their fate.

A man hyped way beyond any ability he has shown in this league IMO.

And I believe the only thing keeping him in a job at Watford is that the owner does not want to look foolish by firing him so soon after turning down Moshiri’s millions to release him.

If Moshiri does still want him then he can have him for free come May, I think

Over-hyped - not gonna argue, being written off too soon now - also i would say yes he is.

They played twice after beating Arsenal mate, absolutely battered Chelsea in a utter robbery of a game mate, watched it live and still can't understand how Richarlison misses those two sitters when 2-1 up

Stoke was a poor game - they still should have won it based on the overall game mind you.

Next after that was us - and well we lucked out massively as I'm sure you will say yourself.


Hull yeah collapsed last 3 games - but in all honesty to actually have them with a chance of staying up that late in a season was astounding - they where really really that terrible a side when he took over.

Would i want him now, as first choice no, cos there is some more doubts given Watfords poor form obviously, do i think he would be an infinitely better choice to bring in rather than let Allardyce have the next season, 100% yes

 

[Caolam]

That would mean that no one is left to.run the club mate as it was probably the lot of them who decided lol GOT should just take over running out club, we will all do alternate shifts looking after it

It is hard to see how we would do a worse job than the current incumbents

 

[Khalekan]

Over-hyped - not gonna argue, being written off too soon now - also i would say yes he is.

They played twice after beating Arsenal mate, absolutely battered Chelsea in a utter robbery of a game mate, watched it live and still can't understand how Richarlison misses those two sitters when 2-1 up

Stoke was a poor game - they still should have won it based on the overall game mind you.

Next after that was us - and well we lucked out massively as I'm sure you will say yourself.


Hull yeah collapsed last 3 games - but in all honesty to actually have them with a chance of staying up that late in a season was astounding - they where really really that terrible a side when he took over.

Would i want him now, as first choice no, cos there is some more doubts given Watfords poor form obviously, do i think he would be an infinitely better choice to bring in rather than let Allardyce have the next season, 100% yes

I have to disagree.

You are having to make too many excuses for him.

Bullet dodged IMO.

I would hope neither him nor Sam is in our hot seat next season.