Sam Allardyce

[chazzle_dazzle]

Well then they better gear up for 25,000 per home game and more banners and protests.

No I agree mate, its going to be pretty vile. I know we disagree'd when Allardyce was getting signed, but is he is here next season its going to be really bad.

 

[bluestevon]

No I agree mate, its going to be pretty vile. I know we disagree'd when Allardyce was getting signed, but is he is here next season its going to be really bad.

Did you want him mate? And if so have you changed your mind now, or?

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Did you want him mate? And if so have you changed your mind now, or?

Nah, I have never wanted him - I was pretty against it at the time - didnt think it was the time and place for the panic and he is never the answer to anything to do with our club....

He is a fraud who lives on a season of decent football at Bolton 12 years ago.. if he was such a good manager that he likes to think, all the other fodder he has managed would have kept him on.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Walsh needs going asap, he wanted allardyce because he has a personal relationship with him, and together they make it doubly hard to get rid of either.

People are missing we could effectively offer all but a handful of managers an offer they wouldn't refuse, and I include tuchel and Fonseca, Favre, and numerous others in that list, we didn't because our board like to safe option and always have, and our dof wants to keep his job, which a new manager from abroad would kick up a stink about his competency.

They would have all been interested Tuchel gave a "end of the season" spiel because of the Bayern job and the uncertainty over if its his or not... the rest easily attainable.. Fonseca basically bent over and said "give it to me Everton".

But he didn't tick the Prem experience column... imagine if other clubs followed this calamity of recruiting managers....

 

[MikeH72]

No I agree mate, its going to be pretty vile. I know we disagree'd when Allardyce was getting signed, but is he is here next season its going to be really bad.

I always said he should be here this season to arrest this crisis and that's it. We need a proper rebuilding job doing in the summer, he's not going to be interested in that with only a 12 month contract to go.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Also think I'd be surprised to see unsworth at the club next season if Walsh and bfs are still here.

Tbh I'm surprised Unsy is still here anyway

Unfortunately, Unsworth staying and going back down to the U23's said to me everything about his ambition... if he really wanted it, he would have put himself out there to a lower league club, I fear he will never move on from the U23's.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I always said he should be here this season to arrest this crisis and that's it. We need a proper rebuilding job doing in the summer, he's not going to be interested in that with only a 12 month contract to go.

I agree mate, my only concern - and I genuinely mean this, the club is absolutely pathetic at giving contracts out for a good season for managers - when we done it for Martinez I nearly punched the telly in.

I am scared he will get us to finish about 12th (at a push) and then the club will give him another year... I wanted so badly to believe that the 18m contract was just a rouse for 6 months then a years payday "thanks and see you later Sam", from what ive been told, its not going to be the case.

Unless things go really bad and they aren't exactly good at the moment, he will be here for the duration, at least.

 

[bluestevon]

I agree mate, my only concern - and I genuinely mean this, the club is absolutely pathetic at giving contracts out for a good season for managers - when we done it for Martinez I nearly punched the telly in.

I am scared he will get us to finish about 12th (at a push) and then the club will give him another year... I wanted so badly to believe that the 18m contract was just a rouse for 6 months then a years payday "thanks and see you later Sam", from what ive been told, its not going to be the case.

Unless things go really bad and they aren't exactly good at the moment, he will be here for the duration, at least.

Disturbing if accurate mate, more than disturbing in fact.

the damage he will do with 2/3 transfer windows at this club and 18 months in charge will push the club fast towards the mess clubs are in when he normally leaves them.

Thing i have hope for, is that the fans are already starting to turn on him, and if he does feel assured then more comments like the 'play more boring footy' will come out the mess of a mouth he has, say what you want about scousers but we won't put up with bullshit or being patronized in that way for long.

 

[bluestevon]

They would have all been interested Tuchel gave a "end of the season" spiel because of the Bayern job and the uncertainty over if its his or not... the rest easily attainable.. Fonseca basically bent over and said "give it to me Everton".

But he didn't tick the Prem experience column... imagine if other clubs followed this calamity of recruiting managers....

Makes you weep when you think 'prem experience' is the be all and end all for this lot. especially so as the people deciding that criteria, Elstone - what prem experience as a CEO did he have before us, what prem experience did Moshiri have as owner, or Walsh have as a DoF...

Maybe they want that criteria because none of them have any competency by the looks

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Disturbing if accurate mate, more than disturbing in fact.

the damage he will do with 2/3 transfer windows at this club and 18 months in charge will push the club fast towards the mess clubs are in when he normally leaves them.

Thing i have hope for, is that the fans are already starting to turn on him, and if he does feel assured then more comments like the 'play more boring footy' will come out the mess of a mouth he has, say what you want about scousers but we won't put up with bullshit or being patronized in that way for long.

My issue is as well, that Sam will leave this club and squad in a worse way when he leaves judging by the links we are having if they come off, it will be significantly worse laboured with injury prone players and players who aren't good enough.

The issue is though, is that the club allows it to happen - Walsh architects all this while he is meant to be looking at the long term success of the club, while buying players and appointing managers who are going to contribute to the long term vision of the club.

Its all jus rotten at the moment, and the core is getting worse.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Makes you weep when you think 'prem experience' is the be all and end all for this lot. especially so as the people deciding that criteria, Elstone - what prem experience as a CEO did he have before us, what prem experience did Moshiri have as owner, or Walsh have as a DoF...

Maybe they want that criteria because none of them have any competency by the looks

Its pathetic mate honestly... there are so many good managers abroad, who would kill someone to get 50% of what Allardyce is getting a year... yet because Sam has managed in this league and has apparently "saved" clubs (who didn't want him after that) he is the obvious candidate.

Its just very poor planning in my eyes, and I wonder who is responsible for that planning!?!?

 

[MickA]

When Allardyce first arrived he made us defensively sound very quickly, but it was boring to watch so the fans start demanding better football. He's listened to the fans and gone offensively to appease the fans and lo and behold because we haven't got a team to play that way we are getting beat. I'd sooner we went back to boring and picked up points.

Then at the same time he hasn't gone back to Williams and Holgate and Rooney in a deep lying role.

So one of the top 10 best paid managers in the world is acting on the wishes of Baz from Fazak? He should have courage in his own thoughts and abilities (stop laughing at the back)

Did he though? He sat 9 men behind the ball, doesnt take a genius to work out that doing that will eventually stop you leaking goals, but he hasn't actually sorted the defence out because the moment we dont have 9 men behind the ball we look abysmal.

Exactly. He's a con man of the highest order. I wouldn't give him a penny to spend and if he does you'd hope it's been signed off by the next man.

So did Moyes as Man U manager mate, notable that he highly rated him yet never once considered hiring him in any role at Man Utd isn't it?

He spoke the language - by that i think you mean English, which for a DoF in a global game is not exactly gonna help negotiating with foreign teams though is it , helps when you're primary aim seems to be buying from relegation teams though i suppose.

Call him what he is then - a head scout, because giving him the DoF role and title, basically means you have stopped being able to hire one who can actually do the job without removing him from his - which will create a massive negative impression when you change a DoF to replacing a head scout which barely goes noticed.

Yet again bad decision compounded by other bad decisions

Very insular world football and people get sucked in to thinking one man's word is gospel. In the case of Taggart he's the world's greatest patroniser of patting on the head the PL has ever seen. Like you say if he was so good why isn't Walsh at Carrington?

 

[bluestevon]

Its pathetic mate honestly... there are so many good managers abroad, who would kill someone to get 50% of what Allardyce is getting a year... yet because Sam has managed in this league and has apparently "saved" clubs (who didn't want him after that) he is the obvious candidate.

Its just very poor planning in my eyes, and I wonder who is responsible for that planning!?!?

That's the main question, and honestly if you look at it, the answer has to be Walsh, the fact in his entire career only one person has ever wanted him as anything more than a scout prior to us, Allardyce in 2007 at Newcastle when he got him as his head of recruitment (basically his role here i would say), then it's not hard to join the dots together. He's paying back a favour, strengthening his own position and can then further fire proof Allardyce to do what he wants in terms of player deals which i'm sure will all be 100% above board...

 

[hullefc]

This is his big chance. He will have to get the wagon back on the rails quickly, after the recent results, to achieve finishing 7 th. That way he may keep the job for another year. But no point in complaining about the players when we were set up with little regard to supporting our attacking play.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

That's the main question, and honestly if you look at it, the answer has to be Walsh, the fact in his entire career only one person has ever wanted him as anything more than a scout prior to us, Allardyce in 2007 at Newcastle when he got him as his head of recruitment (basically his role here i would say), then it's not hard to join the dots together. He's paying back a favour, strengthening his own position and can then further fire proof Allardyce to do what he wants in terms of player deals which i'm sure will all be 100% above board...

Walsh was on the ropes, I know this to be true... but the sheer panic that was created at the club when Koeman was failing, and then when the mess of a manager pursuit resulted in Sam being appointed, all its done is solidify his place at the club.

He is responsible for the long term planning of the club, to me his recruitment and planning for the future have been near on embarrassing and if I failed so badly at my job I would expect to be removed.

The fact is he has made his place stronger with Sam... oh, and of course all the deals will be 100% above board, its not a coincidence that agents sam likes and worked with a few times are contacting us with players he has had before.....