Sam Allardyce

[matty1878]

Fair enough but think big sam is gonna be here longer. Squad is bad

Fair enough but think big sam is gonna be here longer. Squad is bad

The evidence of his football tells you he won’t be.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Makes it worse then mate, means he basically recruits from the red top rags current FoM

I think to be fair, and I am not trying to make excuses because I want Walsh out the club I make no qualms about that. Moshiri was advised and interviewed all candidates with Kenwright and Elstone, Walsh came highly recommended with commendations from Sir Alex among others.

So if am honest I dont entirely blame him for the decision - against the other candidates he spoke the language, had a large scouting background and network set up.

My issue is what his remit is - because the traditional DoF role he does not fulfil in anyway shape or form, because if he was hired with the hope of unearthing gems to buy low sell high, no shame in that it's a business many football clubs implement, but that isnt happening in anyway shape or form.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

when he signed on my opinion was he'd only be here till the summer and nothing has changed that.

 

[bluestevon]

I think to be fair, and I am not trying to make excuses because I want Walsh out the club I make no qualms about that. Moshiri was advised and interviewed all candidates with Kenwright and Elstone, Walsh came highly recommended with commendations from Sir Alex among others.

So if am honest I dont entirely blame him for the decision - against the other candidates he spoke the language, had a large scouting background and network set up.

My issue is what his remit is - because the traditional DoF role he does not fulfil in anyway shape or form, because if he was hired with the hope of unearthing gems to buy low sell high, no shame in that it's a business many football clubs implement, but that isnt happening in anyway shape or form.

So did Moyes as Man U manager mate, notable that he highly rated him yet never once considered hiring him in any role at Man Utd isn't it?

He spoke the language - by that i think you mean English, which for a DoF in a global game is not exactly gonna help negotiating with foreign teams though is it , helps when you're primary aim seems to be buying from relegation teams though i suppose.

Call him what he is then - a head scout, because giving him the DoF role and title, basically means you have stopped being able to hire one who can actually do the job without removing him from his - which will create a massive negative impression when you change a DoF to replacing a head scout which barely goes noticed.

Yet again bad decision compounded by other bad decisions

 

[MikeH72]

Well then surely it shows that is due diligence is appalling if he failed to see all that, after all his best mate is our DoF.

And this thing about midfielders not passing the ball forward is a massive cop out. They don’t pass it forward because we have a centre forward who is so far isolated that we may as well play with 10 men

And we were to attacking against Spurs, all aboard the Sam express for the remainder of the season

Well this season has been a complete and utter disaster from the start with absolutely nothing salvageable and a hell of a lot of work to do to start building back up to even where we were 3/4 years ago. Allardyce won't be here next season, he was brought in to do a specific job, same as he has been for the last 10 years of his career.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

So did Moyes as Man U manager mate, notable that he highly rated him yet never once considered hiring him in any role at Man Utd isn't it?

He spoke the language - by that i think you mean English, which for a DoF in a global game is not exactly gonna help negotiating with foreign teams though is it , helps when you're primary aim seems to be buying from relegation teams though i suppose.

Call him what he is then - a head scout, because giving him the DoF role and title, basically means you have stopped being able to hire one who can actually do the job without removing him from his - which will create a massive negative impression when you change a DoF to replacing a head scout which barely goes noticed.

Yet again bad decision compounded by other bad decisions

I stated this purely because the club has a fear, and I mean a PROPER fear, of anyone without Premier League experience - they are scared of the unknown, put it this way Marco Silva (if this was 18 months ago) would have been on no-ones radar at the club, the moment he had 8 months prem experience he was the flavour of the month.

We could have gone out into the world and got 20 managers who have a better CV then Koeman, Allardyce or Silva for that manager... we spoke to 2 managers from outside these shores... I Dont buy into the argument they wouldn't have come or we needed Sam and his escape speciality, we made sam the 9th best paid manager in the world, besides the elite I think we would have been an interesting prospect at the least, through in about 7 million a year other reasons, we would have been very tempting.

Walsh's influence at the club is becoming a bigger problem then people think... he only strengthened his position with the appointment of Allardyce...

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Well this season has been a complete and utter disaster from the start with absolutely nothing salvageable and a hell of a lot of work to do to start building back up to even where we were 3/4 years ago. Allardyce won't be here next season, he was brought in to do a specific job, same as he has been for the last 10 years of his career.

Think you might be wrong on that mate.. he finishes anywhere above 15th he will be in the job next year.

 

[Abraders]

I stated this purely because the club has a fear, and I mean a PROPER fear, of anyone without Premier League experience - they are scared of the unknown, put it this way Marco Silva (if this was 18 months ago) would have been on no-ones radar at the club, the moment he had 8 months prem experience he was the flavour of the month.

We could have gone out into the world and got 20 managers who have a better CV then Koeman, Allardyce or Silva for that manager... we spoke to 2 managers from outside these shores... I Dont buy into the argument they wouldn't have come or we needed Sam and his escape speciality, we made sam the 9th best paid manager in the world, besides the elite I think we would have been an interesting prospect at the least, through in about 7 million a year other reasons, we would have been very tempting.

Walsh's influence at the club is becoming a bigger problem then people think... he only strengthened his position with the appointment of Allardyce...

Don't forget that Moshiri is very much a big sam fan. Like a super fan. He read his autobiography ffs

 

[toffeejack]

I think to be fair, and I am not trying to make excuses because I want Walsh out the club I make no qualms about that. Moshiri was advised and interviewed all candidates with Kenwright and Elstone, Walsh came highly recommended with commendations from Sir Alex among others.

So if am honest I dont entirely blame him for the decision - against the other candidates he spoke the language, had a large scouting background and network set up.

My issue is what his remit is - because the traditional DoF role he does not fulfil in anyway shape or form, because if he was hired with the hope of unearthing gems to buy low sell high, no shame in that it's a business many football clubs implement, but that isnt happening in anyway shape or form.

But do you both think it's too early to write him off on the sell low buy high aspect? I mean if we go by players like Gibson, lookman, Sandro etc. It'll take a good few years to know if they were successfull in that regard. We couldn't expect him to buy 4 players for a combined £2m and for them to have all fetched £40m plus already.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Don't forget that Moshiri is very much a big sam fan. Like a super fan. He read his autobiography ffs

Rumour has it, that he got to the first page which stated who it was dedicated to...

"Dedicated to my massive roast, pint of bisto and percentage football which has died a death"

and signed him up on the dot....

 

[bluestevon]

I stated this purely because the club has a fear, and I mean a PROPER fear, of anyone without Premier League experience - they are scared of the unknown, put it this way Marco Silva (if this was 18 months ago) would have been on no-ones radar at the club, the moment he had 8 months prem experience he was the flavour of the month.

We could have gone out into the world and got 20 managers who have a better CV then Koeman, Allardyce or Silva for that manager... we spoke to 2 managers from outside these shores... I Dont buy into the argument they wouldn't have come or we needed Sam and his escape speciality, we made sam the 9th best paid manager in the world, besides the elite I think we would have been an interesting prospect at the least, through in about 7 million a year other reasons, we would have been very tempting.

Walsh's influence at the club is becoming a bigger problem then people think... he only strengthened his position with the appointment of Allardyce...

Walsh needs going asap, he wanted allardyce because he has a personal relationship with him, and together they make it doubly hard to get rid of either.

People are missing we could effectively offer all but a handful of managers an offer they wouldn't refuse, and I include tuchel and Fonseca, Favre, and numerous others in that list, we didn't because our board like to safe option and always have, and our dof wants to keep his job, which a new manager from abroad would kick up a stink about his competency.

 

[MikeH72]

Think you might be wrong on that mate.. he finishes anywhere above 15th he will be in the job next year.

Well then they better gear up for 25,000 per home game and more banners and protests.

 

[bluestevon]

I stated this purely because the club has a fear, and I mean a PROPER fear, of anyone without Premier League experience - they are scared of the unknown, put it this way Marco Silva (if this was 18 months ago) would have been on no-ones radar at the club, the moment he had 8 months prem experience he was the flavour of the month.

We could have gone out into the world and got 20 managers who have a better CV then Koeman, Allardyce or Silva for that manager... we spoke to 2 managers from outside these shores... I Dont buy into the argument they wouldn't have come or we needed Sam and his escape speciality, we made sam the 9th best paid manager in the world, besides the elite I think we would have been an interesting prospect at the least, through in about 7 million a year other reasons, we would have been very tempting.

Walsh's influence at the club is becoming a bigger problem then people think... he only strengthened his position with the appointment of Allardyce...

Also think I'd be surprised to see unsworth at the club next season if Walsh and bfs are still here.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

But do you both think it's too early to write him off on the sell low buy high aspect? I mean if we go by players like Gibson, lookman, Sandro etc. It'll take a good few years to know if they were successfull in that regard. We couldn't expect him to buy 4 players for a combined £2m and for them to have all fetched £40m plus already.

Personally in my opinion yes... now, let me state my reasons!

Gibson is highly rated but might not get into the squad, Lookman looks very talented but is having a shocker getting into the first team, Sandro was a steal, but he had a release clause anyone in the world could have picked him up.

My issue is that the recruitment has been massively poor, he has cherry picked from teams who finished below us, paying extortionate prices (the market now or not) when realistically on the continent there are players who are much better, much cheaper... but, they dont have the dreaded prem experience.

If his scouting knowledge was that good (like picking Kante up), he should have 1) known there was options out there better and cheaper then what he was paying, and 2) should have been looking at a massively unbalanced squad and fixing the holes.

To me, he has not filled the DoF role, he has filled a head scout position which is massively failing, because whats being brought in isnt doing what it should - combination of not a fit for the squad and hugely poor management.

 

[Abraders]

Also think I'd be surprised to see unsworth at the club next season if Walsh and bfs are still here.

Tbh I'm surprised Unsy is still here anyway