Sam Allardyce

[Aries]

LOL

 

[Axlswhk]

I can understand and go along with some of the criticism of hm, e,g. the subs bench was very poor IMO which did not give him many options. For which he is responsible however has no control over players cocking up like Williams for their goal, or that some cannot pass a ball, run into space. He was dealt a hand with players at the club and really if this was a game of poker one would chuck the hand in. The two players signed under him for me are good buys.

The players we bought are not suitable for his back 4 hoof and knock down scrap for balls tactics at all. He can buy lots of good players but if he don’t have the tactical depth to fully exploit their capability it’s just shows the hallmark of a really [Poor language removed] manager.

 

[bluestevon]

I can understand and go along with some of the criticism of hm, e,g. the subs bench was very poor IMO which did not give him many options. For which he is responsible however has no control over players cocking up like Williams for their goal, or that some cannot pass a ball, run into space. He was dealt a hand with players at the club and really if this was a game of poker one would chuck the hand in. The two players signed under him for me are good buys.

Yes he does have control mate, he picks the player, and before you say what are the options, he also chooses not to go out and bring in someone for that position, much like if Martina stinks the gaff out repeatedly, we can't say what are the options, because the manager/dof have chosen to give the team none, thus it is there fault.

 

[bluestevon]

LOL

Would much rather have Fonseca now, but tell you what, i'd bin Allardyce off for Silva right now.

 

[Toffeelover]

Regarding the two replies to my post, I think you missed my point. He has no control over the so called footballers we have who cock up on the pitch, can't pass etc.

 

[Axlswhk]

Regarding the two replies to my post, I think you missed my point. He has no control over the so called footballers we have who cock up on the pitch, can't pass etc.

You might be right about cock ups. Even the great Gerrard had his cock ups.
But to say we can’t pass is just an excuse for a poorly train team under a tactically limited manager that does not know how to coach the team and shape it to allow any passer at any particular situation to have at least 3 passing options constantly available to keep to ball moving. In short, off the ball movement. That is entirely down to the managers training emphasis during non match day training.

 

[Toffeelover]

You might be right about cock ups. Even the great Gerrard had his cock ups.
But to say we can’t pass is just an excuse for a poorly train team under a tactically limited manager that does not know how to coach the team and shape it to allow any passer at any particular situation to have at least 3 passing options constantly available to keep to ball moving. In short, off the ball movement. That is entirely down to the managers training emphasis during non match day training.

But then was not that the same under RK and RM?

 

[Axlswhk]

But then was not that the same under RK and RM?

Sam is worst of them all in this aspect. No team can play an effective counter Attack without good movement. What we’re doing now is so 90s it’s like reverting back to the days before Moyes.

 

[Eggs]

@davek , @Eggs , just a little over 4 years ago since the team we had could play at this level (scoreline aside we could/should have score about 7)

...amazing how things can slip in such a short period of mismanagement.

 

[john jako]

Never thought I’d see the day him and sammy lee where guiding us to a 1-1 home draw to the mighty baggies.

 

[edge]

Not the answer long term the football is dire and more importantly not really affective , really don't see how you can win games without shooting at the goal now and again.
Might be ok if you could really defend, we can't ,it's not a good mix.
In his defence there is something rotten about this bunch of players, two other managers couldn't get anywhere with them either, with there supposed talent it a joke.

 

[bluestevon]

...amazing how things can slip in such a short period of mismanagement.

Failure of the club having any form of long term planning

1. Shown by our choices of managers
2. Shown by our choice of a DoF
3. Shown by not having a confused system for how actually recruits/signs players
4. Shown by our failure to do any long term planning in terms of replacing players before they have already hit the wall (and usually not until it is shown beyond doubt they are finished)


4. is best illustrated by what happened when Distin hit the wall, we had effectively Alcaraz as a sticking plaster for that event - until it was shown he was rubbish, sold stones, with no replacement in mind, let Jagielka go past the point of beiung finsihed with no replacement lined up, eventually brought in that replacement two years too late - and decided to bring in a player similar in age who then turned up looking finished himself, bought Keane with no idea who to partner him with.
Needed to have started looking to get a long term successor in form Baines since about 2013, instead let the situation get worse and worse, hid nehind the left winger situation as a reason he was looking poor, and when it became apparent he was finished, took ofver a year to fail to bring anyone in, now the manager is saying we can wait until summer.
Sold our striker - never bought a replacement
Sold our only driving forward midfield player in Barkley - never thought how his absence would impact the team - depsite the times he has been out the team and its effect being clearly apparent for two or more years.
Sold all the pace in the team - without replacing it, and to compound that we started ageing in various positions meaning the situation went from tortoise to snail.
Never replaced either type of player we had in Arteta - a central 'passer' who could move and get forward, or Fellaini - a 'plan B' target in the box and physical player in the centre

all in all a mess

 

[Jebus_lives]

@davek , @Eggs , just a little over 4 years ago since the team we had could play at this level (scoreline aside we could/should have score about 7)

Not what he's there for like, but awful defending from Lukaku for the first RS goal.

 

[Eggs]

Failure of the club having any form of long term planning

1. Shown by our choices of managers
2. Shown by our choice of a DoF
3. Shown by not having a confused system for how actually recruits/signs players
4. Shown by our failure to do any long term planning in terms of replacing players before they have already hit the wall (and usually not until it is shown beyond doubt they are finished)


4. is best illustrated by what happened when Distin hit the wall, we had effectively Alcaraz as a sticking plaster for that event - until it was shown he was rubbish, sold stones, with no replacement in mind, let Jagielka go past the point of beiung finsihed with no replacement lined up, eventually brought in that replacement two years too late - and decided to bring in a player similar in age who then turned up looking finished himself, bought Keane with no idea who to partner him with.
Needed to have started looking to get a long term successor in form Baines since about 2013, instead let the situation get worse and worse, hid nehind the left winger situation as a reason he was looking poor, and when it became apparent he was finished, took ofver a year to fail to bring anyone in, now the manager is saying we can wait until summer.
Sold our striker - never bought a replacement
Sold our only driving forward midfield player in Barkley - never thought how his absence would impact the team - depsite the times he has been out the team and its effect being clearly apparent for two or more years.
Sold all the pace in the team - without replacing it, and to compound that we started ageing in various positions meaning the situation went from tortoise to snail.
Never replaced either type of player we had in Arteta - a central 'passer' who could move and get forward, or Fellaini - a 'plan B' target in the box and physical player in the centre

all in all a mess

..a mess indeed. As you say, a lack of strategy supported by a series of poor transfer dealings. As i’ve always said, competency in the transfer market is a necessity for any manager. Judge them by who they’ve bought and sold.

 

[BernieH]

We weren't even last on MOTD so it can't be that bad lads.