Sam Allardyce

[BernieH]

I remember Martinez first game in charge, a 0-0 draw at home to WBA I do believe, I was there, in the Park End(I roam don't shoot me)so at least we scored today, it's not all doom and gloom. Oh who am I kidding, It's bad.

 

[kiss the crest]

Total blame for this mess is Fat Sam and his tactics.

2 shots v West Brom home and away in less than a month, just let that sink in 2 SHOTS

Leicester get a new manager and play good attaking football, we get one and go worse

 

[BernieH]

LOL

Pretty much sums up our thinking. A guy who did okay in Portugal for a season and then kept Hull up. Just because he's a rugged looking Johnny Foreigner.

People say Allardyce has no credentials for this job, well he has a lot more than Silva.

 

[sd_1992]

Regarding the two replies to my post, I think you missed my point. He has no control over the so called footballers we have who cock up on the pitch, can't pass etc.

He is the manager... he is literally the only one who has any control over it. Just because he isn't good enough to teach our garbage players to pass a ball doesn't mean it isn't his job to...

 

[matty1878]

Pretty much sums up our thinking. A guy who did okay in Portugal for a season and then kept Hull up. Just because he's a rugged looking Johnny Foreigner.

People say Allardyce has no credentials for this job, well he has a lot more than Silva.

The only credentials FS has is he keeps teams ups that’s it.

 

[davek]

@davek , @Eggs , just a little over 4 years ago since the team we had could play at this level (scoreline aside we could/should have score about 7)

Goals and a hatful of chances and shots on target against a better Liverpool team than this one.

 

[jceverton]

Failure of the club having any form of long term planning

1. Shown by our choices of managers
2. Shown by our choice of a DoF
3. Shown by not having a confused system for how actually recruits/signs players
4. Shown by our failure to do any long term planning in terms of replacing players before they have already hit the wall (and usually not until it is shown beyond doubt they are finished)


4. is best illustrated by what happened when Distin hit the wall, we had effectively Alcaraz as a sticking plaster for that event - until it was shown he was rubbish, sold stones, with no replacement in mind, let Jagielka go past the point of beiung finsihed with no replacement lined up, eventually brought in that replacement two years too late - and decided to bring in a player similar in age who then turned up looking finished himself, bought Keane with no idea who to partner him with.
Needed to have started looking to get a long term successor in form Baines since about 2013, instead let the situation get worse and worse, hid nehind the left winger situation as a reason he was looking poor, and when it became apparent he was finished, took ofver a year to fail to bring anyone in, now the manager is saying we can wait until summer.
Sold our striker - never bought a replacement
Sold our only driving forward midfield player in Barkley - never thought how his absence would impact the team - depsite the times he has been out the team and its effect being clearly apparent for two or more years.
Sold all the pace in the team - without replacing it, and to compound that we started ageing in various positions meaning the situation went from tortoise to snail.
Never replaced either type of player we had in Arteta - a central 'passer' who could move and get forward, or Fellaini - a 'plan B' target in the box and physical player in the centre

all in all a mess

Spot on mate. There is a complete failure of any long term planning, bar Walsh signing a few promising youngsters. The failure is as the top which is the worse thing in any organisation because it's harder to deal with. So we have to start as you said with binning off Walsh and getting in a proper DOF who can oversee the whole structure of the club, determine how we are going to play and get the right manager in for next season.

 

[MartSlinger]

LOL

Silva would have us playing better togger & would have won more games. Everton interest affected him & players.

 

[davek]

Failure of the club having any form of long term planning

1. Shown by our choices of managers
2. Shown by our choice of a DoF
3. Shown by not having a confused system for how actually recruits/signs players
4. Shown by our failure to do any long term planning in terms of replacing players before they have already hit the wall (and usually not until it is shown beyond doubt they are finished)


4. is best illustrated by what happened when Distin hit the wall, we had effectively Alcaraz as a sticking plaster for that event - until it was shown he was rubbish, sold stones, with no replacement in mind, let Jagielka go past the point of beiung finsihed with no replacement lined up, eventually brought in that replacement two years too late - and decided to bring in a player similar in age who then turned up looking finished himself, bought Keane with no idea who to partner him with.
Needed to have started looking to get a long term successor in form Baines since about 2013, instead let the situation get worse and worse, hid nehind the left winger situation as a reason he was looking poor, and when it became apparent he was finished, took ofver a year to fail to bring anyone in, now the manager is saying we can wait until summer.
Sold our striker - never bought a replacement
Sold our only driving forward midfield player in Barkley - never thought how his absence would impact the team - depsite the times he has been out the team and its effect being clearly apparent for two or more years.
Sold all the pace in the team - without replacing it, and to compound that we started ageing in various positions meaning the situation went from tortoise to snail.
Never replaced either type of player we had in Arteta - a central 'passer' who could move and get forward, or Fellaini - a 'plan B' target in the box and physical player in the centre

all in all a mess

..a mess indeed. As you say, a lack of strategy supported by a series of poor transfer dealings. As i’ve always said, competency in the transfer market is a necessity for any manager. Judge them by who they’ve bought and sold.

What's happened at Everton is deregulation. We've gone from a strict hierarchy with fixed rules on budgets and transfer quality assessment to a free for all - probably best emphasised by Moshiri's numb nuts comment: "He's Koeman, he does what he likes".

As with deregulation elsewhere you get the veneer of oversight but the reality is an underlying weakening of rules and discipline and structure, so you end up with posts like DoF and head coach and CEO and whatever job description BK goes by these days - all of whom are only loosely co-ordinated and only really accountable to a man who owns the club but feels that he's bought a number of dogs so he shouldn't have to bark himself. There's no responsibility anywhere in this chain as far as I can see and the club is an unholy mess because of it.

We are desperate for:

a/ Moshiri to vacate the football side of things
b/ a single dominant voice that takes charge of club affairs - an industry expert like Gill or even Lawell at Celtic, commanding figures - and lose a few posts that dont work for us.

We had a Chairman-manager relationship for years and by and large it works. I dont think Moshiri is clued up enough about football for that and that's why we see this free for all nonsense. But at least a football savvy CEO-manager relationship that dominates the club with a single vision should be aimed for in future.

 

[jceverton]

If you think about it this is what you get when you place the emphasis on pragmatism...which is what happened when Martinez was ousted. I dont want to go into the dynamics of that issue because it's been done to death, but a lot of fans wanted the opposite to idealism and *philosophy*, and what we've seen is the catastrophic installing of two pragmatists who couldn't get a tune out of Man City never mind this lot.

The stick was bent back WAY too far in the opposite direction, and now we are not only a laughable team but one that Evertonians and neutrals alike absolutely loathe.

Completely agree, we had a vision under Martinez. What we actually needed was a better manager than him who could execute it. Instead we went for the dutch fraudster and then a long ball, park the bus merchant. Disaster.

 

[BernieH]

The only credentials FS has is he keeps teams ups that’s it.

Which we may yet need. We were free falling, he dug us out but the bunch of soft arses are regressing again. He may not be the greatest manager in the world but I question the heart, commitment and courage of most of our squad.

 

[Simon baker]

Pretty much sums up our thinking. A guy who did okay in Portugal for a season and then kept Hull up. Just because he's a rugged looking Johnny Foreigner.

People say Allardyce has no credentials for this job, well he has a lot more than Silva.

Well he has at least won a league & a cup.

Watford since returning to the premier league if the league started at Christmas would have finished bottom 3 everytime.

Watford’s current form was predcited by many on here.

Manager wanted to leave club wouldn’t allow it, players with a history of switching off after Christmas, players all knew manager wanted to leave, add in they have had an injury crisis & suspensions none of this is a susprise.

Simple fact is £15 million is pretty much a world record fee for a manager so if we did our due dillegence we should still be getting him.

I’m not suggesting I want him as I would prefer fonseca however we were going to pay £15 million & now he is probably going to be free. Do we have any plan at all or are we scattergun.

 

[jceverton]

Which we may yet need. We were free falling, he dug us out but the bunch of soft arses are regressing again. He may not be the greatest manager in the world but I question the heart, commitment and courage of most of our squad.

We weren't in freefall, we where in 13th Place. We'd won both home games under Unsworth and he was averaging 1.4ppg which was more than enough to keep us up. Unsworth finally got onto players like Schniederlin who lack any guts but Allardyce keeps playing the joker.

 

[Nymzee]

Testament to how shocking the PL is that we are still 9th.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Silva would have us playing better togger & would have won more games. Everton interest affected him & players.

It's starting to look like he was very pissed at not being allowed to come here and he isn't arsed about Watford because he'll be here in the summer.

He might be trying to get the sack.