Sam Allardyce

[Eggs]

What's happened at Everton is deregulation. We've gone from a strict hierarchy with fixed rules on budgets and transfer quality assessment to a free for all - probably best emphasised by Moshiri's numb nuts comment: "He's Koeman, he does what he likes".

As with deregulation elsewhere you get the veneer of oversight but the reality is an underlying weakening of rules and discipline and structure, so you end up with posts like DoF and head coach and CEO and whatever job description BK goes by these days - all of whom are only loosely co-ordinated and only really accountable to a man who owns the club but feels that he's bought a number of dogs so he shouldn't have to bark himself. There's no responsibility anywhere in this chain as far as I can see and the club is an unholy mess because of it.

We are desperate for:

a/ Moshiri to vacate the football side of things
b/ a single dominant voice that takes charge of club affairs - an industry expert like Gill or even Lawell at Celtic, commanding figures - and lose a few posts that dont work for us.

We had a Chairman-manager relationship for years and by and large it works. I dont think Moshiri is clued up enough about football for that and that's why we see this free for all nonsense. But at least a football savvy CEO-manager relationship that dominates the club with a single vision should be aimed for in future.

...very interesting take, Dave. I presume there’s a strict budget with a fixed envelope to spend in each window (perhaps with the addition of any outgoings), so I don’t see a big difference there. The delta will be that the amount of spend has increased. The problem is that this has coincided with very poor transfer business by Koeman and Walsh supported by no strategic football direction.

I would doubt Moshiri has much to do with the football side of things. Walsh is on record as saying both he and Allardyce have to agree a transfer before a player is acquired. Both have the power of veto, and whoever identifies the target tends to be the one who does the negotiating.

I agree, though, a more efficient hierarchy headed by a proper football administrator makes sense.

 

[bluestevon]

Peak Mirallas this.

It's got so bad at the moment that I miss those days under Martinez.

First season under MArtinez until the exluding the first 3-4 games and the last month or so, was really positive, problem was either due to funding or knowledge - and probably a huge part of both he wasn't capable of replacing the defence as it was ageing and upgrading it to match the attack, that and some key parts of the attack (Baines and Pienaar) got old/injured from that season on and it badly effected us, as @Eggs has often said - the key to building a successful club is good recruitment, we didn't recruit well after that first season - basically due to the second seasons recruitment being to sign up all the players we'd loaned - so stagnated effectively on recruitment at the same point a lot of positions started to age, problem since then is a continued ageing of areas of the team, plus the core young players coming through all moving on due to ambition and not wanting to waste another 3-4 or more years waiting for us to get it right or lucky...

 

[bluestevon]

...very interesting take, Dave. I presume there’s a strict budget with a fixed envelope to spend in each window (perhaps with the addition of any outgoings), so I don’t see a big difference there. The delta will be that the amount of spend has increased. The problem is that this has coincided with very poor transfer business by Koeman and Walsh supported by no strategic football direction.

I would doubt Moshiri has much to do with the football side of things. Walsh is on record as saying both he and Allardyce have to agree a transfer before a player is acquired. Both have the power of veto, and whoever identifies the target tends to be the one who does the negotiating.

I agree, though, a more efficient hierarchy headed by a proper football administrator makes sense.

I'd sack Allardyce tomorrow and hire Silva ...

 

[Deleted member 28206]

What's happened at Everton is deregulation. We've gone from a strict hierarchy with fixed rules on budgets and transfer quality assessment to a free for all - probably best emphasised by Moshiri's numb nuts comment: "He's Koeman, he does what he likes".

As with deregulation elsewhere you get the veneer of oversight but the reality is an underlying weakening of rules and discipline and structure, so you end up with posts like DoF and head coach and CEO and whatever job description BK goes by these days - all of whom are only loosely co-ordinated and only really accountable to a man who owns the club but feels that he's bought a number of dogs so he shouldn't have to bark himself. There's no responsibility anywhere in this chain as far as I can see and the club is an unholy mess because of it.

We are desperate for:

a/ Moshiri to vacate the football side of things
b/ a single dominant voice that takes charge of club affairs - an industry expert like Gill or even Lawell at Celtic, commanding figures - and lose a few posts that dont work for us.

We had a Chairman-manager relationship for years and by and large it works. I dont think Moshiri is clued up enough about football for that and that's why we see this free for all nonsense. But at least a football savvy CEO-manager relationship that dominates the club with a single vision should be aimed for in future.

Yep. Spot on - as I said. We have effectively only joined the Premier League as ‘ financial big boys’ in recent years - and we will suffer the same fate as others have in that we will consistently over pay, and sign very poor players as well as sack and hire managers for a number of years until we find the same stability we had before we had investment.

 

[paultheblue]

He needs to get us to the necessary 40 points then go public and tell the fans that he will use the rest of the season to try out all members of the squad with a blank canvas.
It would be a bumpy ride but if he's honest with us we should be able to accept it.
On our part we nèed to support the team on the pitch not get on there backs remembering it's all About next season now.

 

[kenada_blue]

Yep. Spot on - as I said. We have effectively only joined the Premier League as ‘ financial big boys’ in recent years - and we will suffer the same fate as others have in that we will consistently over pay, and sign very poor players as well as sack and hire managers for a number of years until we find the same stability we had before we had investment.

That my argument for why I think Sam will/should finish his contract.

Personally believe we'll have a solid structure and balance which would allow another manager in and transition better.

 

[People75]

Have to admit, i wanted him to manage us.
His first matches was great, but i since lost comfidence in him.

It's like the Koeman days all over again.

 

[kithnou]

Sack. Now.

 

[Eggs]

I'd sack Allardyce tomorrow and hire Silva ...

....i can’t see it happening but I wouldn’t be against it. My bigger concern is Walsh, he’s really got to pull a few transfer gems to build any confidence. It won’t really matter who is in the hot seat if Walsh is running the direction of travel on the pitch.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

That my argument for why I think Sam will/should finish his contract.

Personally believe we'll have a solid structure and balance which would allow another manager in and transition better.

I struggle to disagree but I cannot see Sam here past the end of the season.

 

[Flynnthistle]

I'd sack Allardyce tomorrow and hire Silva ...

Why wait until tomorrow mate?

 

[wainy]

I'd sack Allardyce tomorrow and hire Silva ...

At the very least you'd expect us to be sorting a deal out for the summer.

 

[bluestevon]

....i can’t see it happening but I wouldn’t be against it. My bigger concern is Walsh, he’s really got to pull a few transfer gems to build any confidence. It won’t really matter who is in the hot seat if Walsh is running the direction of travel on the pitch.

Funnily enough - financially paying off Allardyce now and hiring Silva will work out cheaper than if Watford had taken the compensation offer from us initially...

I think Walsh is dead man walking if he doesn't sort a good left back/defence out anyway mate

 

[bluestevon]

Why wait until tomorrow mate?

Because it's Everton mate, has to still be some delay

 

[Nymzee]

Funnily enough - financially paying off Allardyce now and hiring Silva will work out cheaper than if Watford had taken the compensation offer from us initially...

I think Walsh is dead man walking if he doesn't sort a good left back/defence out anyway mate

How much to sack Allardyce and backroom staff? Surely more than £8m.