Sam Allardyce

[BernieH]

We weren't in freefall, we where in 13th Place. We'd won both home games under Unsworth and he was averaging 1.4ppg which was more than enough to keep us up. Unsworth finally got onto players like Schniederlin who lack any guts but Allardyce keeps playing the joker.

We were in free fall, the west ham game bucked the trend and we had a decent tough to beat run, we now look like sliding back into trouble again.

My main point is, it can't be all the managers, at some point we need to point the finger at the lot that step onto the turf because it's them that is letting us down once the whistle goes. You can't coach heart and courage, you are either a fighter or you're not, we have a lot of nots, in my honest opinion.

I'm not saying Sam is the saviour but i'm looking at what he's got to work with and I'm prepared to give him leeway. Turning this bunch of losers into winners is not going to be an easy task...For any manager.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Not even arsed if Silva gets sacked if still have him over this useless mess any day of the way

He's get us playing football and a lot more attacking. We can't defend anyway so it doesn't really matter on that front

Maybe it's a plan him and mosh come up with get sacked and get a signing on fee from us

 

[LocalNative]

@davek , @Eggs , just a little over 4 years ago since the team we had could play at this level (scoreline aside we could/should have score about 7)

Peak Mirallas this.

It's got so bad at the moment that I miss those days under Martinez.

 

[Toffeelover]

Failure of the club having any form of long term planning

1. Shown by our choices of managers
2. Shown by our choice of a DoF
3. Shown by not having a confused system for how actually recruits/signs players
4. Shown by our failure to do any long term planning in terms of replacing players before they have already hit the wall (and usually not until it is shown beyond doubt they are finished)


4. is best illustrated by what happened when Distin hit the wall, we had effectively Alcaraz as a sticking plaster for that event - until it was shown he was rubbish, sold stones, with no replacement in mind, let Jagielka go past the point of beiung finsihed with no replacement lined up, eventually brought in that replacement two years too late - and decided to bring in a player similar in age who then turned up looking finished himself, bought Keane with no idea who to partner him with.
Needed to have started looking to get a long term successor in form Baines since about 2013, instead let the situation get worse and worse, hid nehind the left winger situation as a reason he was looking poor, and when it became apparent he was finished, took ofver a year to fail to bring anyone in, now the manager is saying we can wait until summer.
Sold our striker - never bought a replacement
Sold our only driving forward midfield player in Barkley - never thought how his absence would impact the team - depsite the times he has been out the team and its effect being clearly apparent for two or more years.
Sold all the pace in the team - without replacing it, and to compound that we started ageing in various positions meaning the situation went from tortoise to snail.
Never replaced either type of player we had in Arteta - a central 'passer' who could move and get forward, or Fellaini - a 'plan B' target in the box and physical player in the centre

all in all a mess

So essentially the rot started way back when Moyes left with the poor signings made by managers after him. The only good one was Lukaku but with his ambitions, he was never going to stay. Same for Barkley, he had made his mind his career fortunes lay elsewhere, the injury delayed that move.

When you talk of sold all the pace, who do you actually mean?

Think back when did Arteta leave? who was responsible for not replacing him?

For me it is unclear, your post is in the Allardyce thread but surely this is an indictment of the club's failings as a whole, so should there not a separate thread to air the views?

 

[Toffeelover]

Not the answer long term the football is dire and more importantly not really affective , really don't see how you can win games without shooting at the goal now and again.
Might be ok if you could really defend, we can't ,it's not a good mix.
In his defence there is something rotten about this bunch of players, two other managers couldn't get anywhere with them either, with there supposed talent it a joke.

That mate is what I have been trying to get across in my posts rather than hitting the managers involved although they carry a huge responsibility for bad decisions on and off the field.

 

[jceverton]

We were in free fall, the west ham game bucked the trend and we had a decent tough to beat run, we now look like sliding back into trouble again.

My main point is, it can't be all the managers, at some point we need to point the finger at the lot that step onto the turf because it's them that is letting us down once the whistle goes. You can't coach heart and courage, you are either a fighter or you're not, we have a lot of nots, in my honest opinion.

I'm not saying Sam is the saviour but i'm looking at what he's got to work with and I'm prepared to give him leeway. Turning this bunch of losers into winners is not going to be an easy task...For any manager.

We'll have to agree to differ because going from 18th to 13th in 5 games isn't my definition of freefall. There are a few players who aren't up for it i'll agree, hence Unsworth's comments around the West Ham game. But right now the main problem is the manager and his buddy Walsh.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Been thinking about this and I don't think it's because we have bad players and I don't believe it's because of Sam. We employ players who have hit a peak or have done so for a previous club in their career, be it Williams coming up from Swansea or Rooney/Walcott moving from a perceived bigger club down. Sure we seem attractive, we offer big wages and an outside hope we can win trophies but most of the players haven't moved to us because they fell in love with the place.

When things are up they have been able to play, like last year and you can go back to the city game this season where they showed some fight. But as soon as we dip and it appears we won't win anything the white flags come out. They are on holiday. Our transfer policy needs to stop paying out huge wages to players who simply won't have the motivation and hunger (& in some cases time due to age) to really knuckle down and achieve more and maybe get a dream move to a Real, Bayern, Utd etc. that may keep them honest. We have become a graveyard for greedy footballers, a retirement home, a big club for those who can't quite make it to the top to put something decent on their CV.

 

[Toffeelover]

He is the manager... he is literally the only one who has any control over it. Just because he isn't good enough to teach our garbage players to pass a ball doesn't mean it isn't his job to...

Surely a chap learnt to pass a ball in order to become a pro footballer, are you saying some of our lot never learnt?

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Breaking on SSN - Silva has been sacked!!

 

[BernieH]

We'll have to agree to differ because going from 18th to 13th in 5 games isn't my definition of freefall. There are a few players who aren't up for it i'll agree, hence Unsworth's comments around the West Ham game. But right now the main problem is the manager and his buddy Walsh.

How can you not say it's a collective problem, the problems were there before Allardyce arrived, I fail to see how any blame can be laid at his door, but it's because it's Sam Allardyce and he's not popular.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Why are you beauts suggesting he’s on 6.5m a year? Everton fans rounding up again. lol

 

[jceverton]

How can you not say it's a collective problem, the problems were there before Allardyce arrived, I fail to see how any blame can be laid at his door, but it's because it's Sam Allardyce and he's not popular.

Well the way we are playing is down to the manager, that's Allardyce. The squad and the players is virtually all down to Koeman and Walsh, but Allardyce hasn't helped himself by signing Tosun and Wallcott when we needed strengthening in other areas first.

 

[Toffeelover]

Well the way we are playing is down to the manager, that's Allardyce. The squad and the players is virtually all down to Koeman and Walsh, but Allardyce hasn't helped himself by signing Tosun and Wallcott when we needed strengthening in other areas first.

Well the way we are playing is down to the manager, that's Allardyce. The squad and the players is virtually all down to Koeman and Walsh, but Allardyce hasn't helped himself by signing Tosun and Wallcott when we needed strengthening in other areas first.

There is that, CB, LB and AMF, problem is due to bad signings squad is overloaded and not easy now to get rid of some of that crap signed before Allardyce.

 

[royalblue66]

Feeling Numb here.

 

[bluestevon]

What's happened at Everton is deregulation. We've gone from a strict hierarchy with fixed rules on budgets and transfer quality assessment to a free for all - probably best emphasised by Moshiri's numb nuts comment: "He's Koeman, he does what he likes".

As with deregulation elsewhere you get the veneer of oversight but the reality is an underlying weakening of rules and discipline and structure, so you end up with posts like DoF and head coach and CEO and whatever job description BK goes by these days - all of whom are only loosely co-ordinated and only really accountable to a man who owns the club but feels that he's bought a number of dogs so he shouldn't have to bark himself. There's no responsibility anywhere in this chain as far as I can see and the club is an unholy mess because of it.

We are desperate for:

a/ Moshiri to vacate the football side of things
b/ a single dominant voice that takes charge of club affairs - an industry expert like Gill or even Lawell at Celtic, commanding figures - and lose a few posts that dont work for us.

We had a Chairman-manager relationship for years and by and large it works. I dont think Moshiri is clued up enough about football for that and that's why we see this free for all nonsense. But at least a football savvy CEO-manager relationship that dominates the club with a single vision should be aimed for in future.

well said mate, what we need is a figure as good as Dein was at Arsenal basically...